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    the whole world seems to have gone or be quickly going mirrorless

    nikon and canon have offered a few body upgrades to their dslr line in the last couple of years, neither is developing new dslr lenses

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    The full frame DSLR makes little sense for the amateur user buying a new system, if however you already have a satisfactory selection of lenses then you might stay locked in.

    I've been having fun with a Fuji X system mirrorless which with a few adapters will happily accept almost any lens.

    The thing which is shredding the camera market is the smartphone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    The full frame DSLR makes little sense for the amateur user buying a new system, if however you already have a satisfactory selection of lenses then you might stay locked in.

    I've been having fun with a Fuji X system mirrorless which with a few adapters will happily accept almost any lens.

    The thing which is shredding the camera market is the smartphone.

    Problem is that fixed lens cameras typically have zoom lenses. And zoom lenses al ost certainly are slow lenses. And a slow lens doesn't give you the highly desirable shallow depth of field.
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    I love my Canon DSLR and still hoping to get a longer focus zoom lens for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Carey View Post
    Problem is that fixed lens cameras typically have zoom lenses. And zoom lenses al ost certainly are slow lenses. And a slow lens doesn't give you the highly desirable shallow depth of field.
    I suspect that Paul is interested in the contrast between DSLR and the interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras these have lenses to f0.9..

    He's been a little slow of the mark, here's a review of an example released in 2012.

    https://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-e1.htm

    On the general debate

    https://kenrockwell.com/tech/mirrorless-vs-dslr.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    I suspect that Paul is interested in the contrast between DSLR and the interchangeable lens mirrorless cameras these have lenses to f0.9..
    correct

    i have an ancient d7500 i'm having difficulty seeing a reason to continue to update my nikon dslr system
    i've dipped into the fuji x system which i really like so far (it appeals to my nostalgic side in many ways, love the mechanical feel and the fuji glass is excellent)

    another area of interest with regard to nikon, canon, and sony - their new mirrorless systems are so good at low light that their normal professional lenses that are being developed for their systems aren't all that fast by the standards of yesteryear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    The iPhone 12 has an f1.6 wide angle lens, but it’s tiny sensor doesn’t give you shallow depth of field. The crop sensors of many of the mirrorless have similar issues.
    i love my iphone 12 pro max, it can take some great photos, and it takes photos i would never have gotten otherwise just due to it's convenience

    but it runs out of resolution quickly, it's super small sensor creates images that become very noisy, and it's image have a very defined apple 'look' that is hard to escape
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post

    and only 54 thousand dollars. i think i'll get one for the wife as well!

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    The first time I went to Africa I spent 4 months working in a national park in Botswana. I took 6 whole rolls of 36-exposure film, which to me was a huge amount because of the cost of film and developing.

    The last ti
    me we went to Africa we spent 3 days in the Kruger on the way back from a congress in Sydney. I kept 1500 digital pictures and video clips and deleted the rest. Because it was Africa we took a "real" digital camera - a Panasonic Lumix with 30x optical zoom that costs USD 250. On trips without wildlife we just take a phone.

    In other words, fil
    m cameras belong in museums.

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    So, this isn’t about some part on your new bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    So, this isn’t about some part on your new bike?
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    Digital single lens reflex.

    Like a computer and a camera made a cyborg baby.

    I probably can’t work the digital version any better than an analog variety. Lord knows I spent about 11B on slide film in the 90s, too, trying to learn to use a damned camera. Maybe twice that on 35mm moving kind.

    I never could capture. Edit? Sure.

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    In other words, fil
    m cameras belong in museums.[/QUOTE]

    A couple years ago SWMBO & I were visiting Tallin, Estonia. While strolling through the older part of town , two older ladies approached and thrust a camera towards me- obviously wanting me to take their picture. Upon pushing the shutter button, I heard a whirring sound. It was then that I realized that it was a FILM camera!!! I wanted to them about it, but neither spoke the other's language. Quite a surprise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    I didn’t post the chart for lens units shipped but that’s fallen even further, and especially for non-kit lenses which is the real death of the interchangeable lens camera.

    I liked my Fuji xpro despite the funky software, but the lack of an affordable long lens was irritating......
    The built in focus loupe and Focus peaking make using manual focus lenses a breeze

    135mm F2.5 - Bokeh

    Tulips.jpg

    How Long did you want, and how cheap???

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    500mm Mirror lens - which, since it's going on an APS-C camera is a scary thing.

    About $50
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    I regret selling my 800mm f8 mirror lens.
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    nicely done, so this is an older manual lens you've adapted to the x system?
    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    The built in focus loupe and Focus peaking make using manual focus lenses a breeze

    135mm F2.5 - Bokeh

    Tulips.jpg

    How Long did you want, and how cheap???

    Attachment 85756

    500mm Mirror lens - which, since it's going on an APS-C camera is a scary thing.

    About $50
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    Pentax Takumar - As a result of a largely mis-spent youth I have a number of pentax system lenses - and the odd M39.

    I grew up with manual focus so that's not a problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    I shoot a couple rolls of B&W every year. A local professional photographer friend develops them, piggybacking on his rolls of film.
    Wonderful, and beautiful work. But it is still kind of like reenacting a Roman battle - also wonderful, beautiful work when well done.

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    Nikon 300mm f/4.5 manual focus on Olympus OM-D E10 micro 4/3. Equivalent to 600mm on 35mm.

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    We are fortunate to live in an age when we can choose between several mediums for photography, Each has its strengths and drawbacks, and it is up to the photographer to select the medium - and it's associated medium-specific hardware - that best suits the artwork about to be done.

    Consider digital vs. film in the same light as wooden vs. fiberglass boats: Why would any right-minded person select an anachronistic, out-dated material such as wood to build a boat when fiberglass is less expensive, easier to work with fewer and less-expensive tools, and produces a hull that is virtually maintenance-free? Wooden boats belong in museums, eh, George.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Wooden boats belong in museums, eh, George.?

    Either in museums or in the hands of hopeless, impractical romantics.


    Seriously, film cameras might have artistic value as well as be a historical curiosity. But for the vast majority of people who want to be able to take pictures, including the vast majority of professionals, they are impractical and needlessly expensive, and that's why consumer companies don't build them anymore. Not unlike wooden boats.

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    Well,......
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    This thread leaves several questions unanswered - possibly unasked.

    Is film really dead?

    APS-C or Full frame?

    Why do so many mirrorless cameras have a fake pentaprism lump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post


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    My son (about to turn 21) has bought an old (mid-60s) fixed lens 35mm camera, and I'm prepping my fathers old Praktica LTL3 for him so he's got a bit more creative flexibility. He likes the look of film, and while he gets the films printed, part of the standard processing service is a set of hi-res scans. All the easier for posting on the 'gram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy View Post
    Well,......
    fibreglass boats stink
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    This thread leaves several questions unanswered - possibly unasked.

    Is film really dead?
    can digital truly equal b&w film?

    and why does digital do color so seemingly effortlessly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    fibreglass boats stink
    But the stink goes away eventually. Once a wooden boat begins to reek of decay and foul bilges, it is there for the life of the boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    can digital truly equal b&w film?
    I think that 'equal' is the wrong verb. Each gives slightly different results, and the choice of which 'look' is desired is up to the photographer.



    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    and why does digital do color so seemingly effortlessly?
    Consistency. Digital registers a digitally-processed hue the same every time; the only wild card is the consistency of the colour of the inks used to print a hard copy. Photographic film relies on the ability of the film to register different colours equally (it doesn't), consistency (not) of the dyes used to process the negative, then compounds that with the consistency (not) of the dyes used to process the print. The challenge to the darkroom geek is to achieve as near as possible to perfect consistency between batches of chemistry and processing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twodot View Post
    Speaking for myself, a good B&W film print makes me happy, worth framing and putting on the wall, whereas B&W digital is fun, but probably wouldn't frame one.

    Like the one below, it is out of focus because I used a flatbed scanner to digitize the film, and didn't do a good job, but it makes me smile:




    Summit of Sky Pilot peak, last summer. Great name, Sky Pilot, I think that JP has been to the top.


    But, for 99.999% of the population, film is essentially dead.
    FYI I have a bunch of B&W iPhone photos printed out on a nice Epson printer on archival paper and in frames in my home.

    I won’t go through the bother of posting because I’ve come to the conclusion that most of you don’t like or appreciate my iPhone photography. Hey but I enjoy looking at them in my home, so I guess thats all that matters
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    <poking fun alert! poking fun alert!>


    Quote Originally Posted by Joe (SoCal) View Post
    ...I’ve come to the conclusion that most of you don’t like or appreciate my iPhone photography...
    Aww, c'mon, Joe! You're not admitting that anything that we say here in The Bilge has an effect on your Bronx rhinohide, are ya???
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    Others here have way more knowledge than me. Just a few thoughts from afar:

    - I cut my photographic teeth on a "stickshift" Nikon F, fully manual SLR. Legendarily reliable, durable, and repairable if need be.

    - That said, electronics long ago came into SLRs and the brains on DSLRs make taking great pics easy. I don't have one, I probably should have bought one long ago, but didn't want to spend the money. But my point is, "In for a penny, in for a pound"; The mirror mechanism is one of the last mechanical systems on a DSLR; It wears mechanically, the (front)-surface-coated mirror is extremely susceptible to damage, even from ignorant cleaning technique, and I'm sure any needed repairs will be met in the same way as the electronics; "Can't do/too expensive. Buy a new camera." And, the mirror is a source of vibration (an issue for hand-held at slow shutter speeds), and noise (long after film SLRs has taken over the market, I know of at least one white house photographer in the 1970s (David Hume Kennerly, IIRC) that sometimes used a rangerfinder Leica when he was the sole photographer because the shutter was so much quieter).
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    You want mirror noise in an SLR? You ought to hear this beastie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    You want mirror noise in an SLR? You ought to hear this beastie!
    Oh I would imagine, big mirror. Is that 35mm, or larger film format?
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