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    [COLOR=var(--primary-text)]The Veterans For Peace Golden Rule, famed anti-nuke peace vessel, has put to sea from Hawaii bound for the US West coast.

    The plan is to do the US Great Loop over the next several years.

    We're always looking for more good crew: sailor-photographers/poets & writers/grant writers/ and more.

    You can follow the progress here . . share.garmin.com/goldenrule[COLOR=var(--primary-text)]


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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Tumbling home......
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

    "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
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    I admit I don't understand fully the rationale.. setting off on a boat with a couple of poets is a political lever how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    thomas gilmer?
    Pictured there is Albert Bigelow, the original skipper of the GR in 1958.

    Following his WWII Navy career he became a social justice warrior - got the crap beat out of
    him while taking blows aimed at John Lewis as a Freedom Rider.

    Much later, he taught sailing to kids in Connecticut.

    More here . . . https://www.friendsjournal.org/the-g...ll-sail-again/

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    I admit I don't understand fully the rationale.. setting off on a boat with a couple of poets is a political lever how?
    I take it then that you are not interested in a crew gig ??

    For me. it was the thrill of a lifetime.

    I admit that, like some others in Vets For Peace, I have had a long-standing problem with authority.

    You know, that authority that keeps telling you that nukes keep you safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    I take it then that you are not interested in a crew gig ??
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    I'd happily sail on her, if I was able to keep completely clear of any conversation that had anything to do with game theory, philosophy or the human condition.

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    BTW, I imagine many many more people have died from sailing than have died from nuclear weapons.

    Oops.

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    how many unwashed can fit on that ketch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    You know, that authority that keeps telling you that nukes keep you safe.
    Because if anyone attacked you you would destroy the world with them in it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    I'd happily sail on her, if I was able to keep completely clear of any conversation that had anything to do with game theory, philosophy or the human condition.

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    Generally, the more people know about nuclear weapons the more frightened they are . .
    such as Robt. McNamara, Rickover, and former SecDef Wm Perry
    How about if y'all take Perry's on-line course at Stanford and get back to us ? (I scored a 98)
    https://online.stanford.edu/courses/...rday-and-today
    And personally, I could not go through life without standing up for that which I believe.
    Last edited by sandtown; 05-07-2021 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    BTW, I imagine many many more people have died from sailing than have died from nuclear weapons.

    Oops.
    You imagine wrongly - certainly when it comes to US deaths.

    You might consider doing some homework prior to spouting off.

    In the United States, which conducted almost half of all nuclear tests, a 2017 study estimated that fallout from nuclear testing contributed between 340,000 to 460,000 excess deaths from 1951 and 1973.

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    Today's Golden Rule update . .

    Golden Rule is making great progress!

    Captain Kiko reports that everyone is doing well.
    Right now, Malinda is teaching Nolan how to steer by the stars.

    Our weather router, Leroy Zerlang, recommends going north to Latitude 36 before heading more easterly.

    Mr. Zerlang is a top-notch weather router.

    The white dot shows their present location. They'll sail north of the blue area (near the x), which is calm, the Great Pacific High.

    Then they will turn more directly east and slightly south to get to San Francisco Bay.




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    i was wondering if thomas gilmer was the designer. . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Do you have a link to your study from 2017?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    Do you have a link to your study from 2017?
    Since your comments above indicate a lack of good faith or intellectual curiosity ..

    I'm suggesting that you do your own homework.

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    Well, good luck on your journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i was wondering if thomas gilmer was the designer. . .
    Oh sorry, I misunderstood. The designers were Hugh Angelman and Charles Davies, to the best of my understanding.

    The Golden Rule is a 30 foot (37' overall) Alpha 30 version of their iconic 37' "Sea Witch" design.

    Below is the bio of Mr. Angelman . . .

    I would say, however, that the story of how the Vets For Peach salvaged and rebuilt the boat is just as romantic .. .

    https://www.heritech.com/seawitch/angelman.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    Well, good luck on your journey.
    Thank you. That journey is fraught in those waters with sailing vessels of that type.

    Normally, I am not a praying person, but I will make an exception here.

    They have a solid experienced skipper and a world class weather router.

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    and Malinda is teaching Nolan how to steer by the stars

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    how many unwashed can fit on that ketch ?
    Why do you believe it is acceptable manners to malign people who have done you no harm, and you have never even met ??

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    Wizbang is more unwashed than all of us put together, he'll be the first to confirm this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    You know, that authority that keeps telling you that nukes keep you safe.
    The principle has worked for all of my (70 year) lifetime.
    There is also the issue that technology cannot be uninvented.
    Hell, we still train with javelins, sword fighting and archery.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    The principle has worked for all of my (70 year) lifetime.
    Which proves civilisation under nuclear terror has a half-life of at least 70 years. Could last another 70, or be gone tomorrow.


    There is also the issue that technology cannot be uninvented.
    There is a huge gulf between uninventing a technology and investing billions and billions to make more of it. You can't build a thermonuclear bomb in your basement. Only nation-states can do it, and they don't need thousands of bombs each.






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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    Why do you believe it is acceptable manners to malign people who have done you no harm, and you have never even met ??
    You ever been at sea in a small boat for weeks ? tings gets ripe.
    That boat would be comfy for two, sounds like there are 4?
    I was asking how many aboard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    You ever been at sea in a small boat for weeks ? tings gets ripe.
    That boat would be comfy for two, sounds like there are 4?
    I was asking how many aboard?
    bruce
    Apologies - I misunderstood.

    Crew of four for this voyage is the same as the 1958 voyage - good book about it here, https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the...low/1129472807

    For a coastal passage, a crew of three or even two can suffice, but for a 30 day voyage you need four so that they can rest between watches.

    On the first 1958 voyage one of the crew became dangerously incapacitated by sea sickness, and the remaining three were busy with care giving and running the boat.

    That often happens on rough passages - often the crew will give out before the boat does.

    And sea water bathing works pretty well . . Thanks to its high levels of magnesium, seawater has the ability to hydrate the skin and give it a radiant look. Bathing in seawater can help bring a greater level of moisture to the skin while it decreases inflammation-related skin issues such as redness and a rough texture because of its richness of magnesium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Only nation-states can do it, and they don't need thousands of bombs each.
    Yes, Nation states can do it. So we need a system to remind them that to do so would be a total waste of resources, as they would dare not use the weapons that they have spent so much on.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    So we need a system to remind them that to do so would be a total waste of resources, as they would dare not use the weapons that they have spent so much on.
    Sounds like a job for Vets For Peace - along with the millions of other sane folks around the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    Sounds like a job for Vets For Peace - along with the millions of other sane folks around the globe.
    Gotta love a naive optimist. CND have been going for how long? That worked well.

    Rogue states only respect a big stick. 4 men in a boat will not even register in their consciousness If they do notice, it will engender contempt, not a change in policy.

    Enjoy your holiday.

    As I said, you cannot uninvent technology, we are stuck with nuclear weapons.
    There is a bright side though. There has been a change in direction of the development of weapon technology away from more and more destruction.
    Weapons development has evolved from the sword, close up and personal, through projectile weapons. Spears and arrows, through muskets to 5 magazine rifles, to machine guns.
    Grenades, to bombs to the nuclear bomb.
    But there has not been any desire to develop a new, more devastating bomb, instead there is a shift towards keeping your own grunts safer by using drone technology to remove your men from the battlefield.

    So learn to live with nuclear and draw confidence from the deterrent effect of mutually guaranteed destruction. It seems to be working.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Rogue states only respect a big stick.
    Rogue states don't have nearly enough weapons to destroy the world. It's the US, Russia, and China we worry about. They actually have plans to destroy the world.

    there has not been any desire to develop a new, more devastating bomb
    On the contrary. They are developing hypersonic and submarine drone delivery systems, which dramatically shorten the response time. The bombs themselves are already devastating enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandtown View Post
    Apologies - I misunderstood.

    Crew of four for this voyage is the same as the 1958 voyage - good book about it here, https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the...low/1129472807

    For a coastal passage, a crew of three or even two can suffice, but for a 30 day voyage you need four so that they can rest between watches.

    On the first 1958 voyage one of the crew became dangerously incapacitated by sea sickness, and the remaining three were busy with care giving and running the boat.

    That often happens on rough passages - often the crew will give out before the boat does.

    And sea water bathing works pretty well . . Thanks to its high levels of magnesium, seawater has the ability to hydrate the skin and give it a radiant look. Bathing in seawater can help bring a greater level of moisture to the skin while it decreases inflammation-related skin issues such as redness and a rough texture because of its richness of magnesium.
    We are not trying to "hydrate" the skin at sea...believe me
    A crew of 4 is not needed on 30 day trips...believe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    Rogue states don't have nearly enough weapons to destroy the world. It's the US, Russia, and China we worry about. They actually have plans to destroy the world.



    On the contrary. They are developing hypersonic and submarine drone delivery systems, which dramatically shorten the response time. The bombs themselves are already devastating enough.
    George, you have lost the plot. Seek help, please.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I have not. Look up plans for a massive retaliatory strike by any of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    We are not trying to "hydrate" the skin at sea...believe me
    A crew of 4 is not needed on 30 day trips...believe me.
    Points not well taken - sorry I responded to you with far more respect than you deserve.

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