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    Why are you afraid to compete on a level field?
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    No, it is acknowledging the current racist structures in place in our society.

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    So only white people are racist?
    That has not been my experience.
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    Are you actually interested?

    Of course not only white people are racist. But the history and structures still in place in this country have been set up explicitly to benefit white people. Therefore every white person has some amount of privilege, just by living in a society that has not actively discriminated against them in the same way as it has people of other races.

    It does not mean that you or I did anything racist to become privileged, just that it does exist and should be acknowledged.

    The idea being once it is recognized, the barriers still in place to hold others back can be removed.

    Not every white person has a great affluent life, obviously. That is not what white privilege means. But you don't know how many times you have NOT been pulled over, have NOT been profiled in a housing or job application, or what barriers were NOT put in front of your parents or grandparents just because they looked a certain way. That is white privilege.

    (I don't mean you specifically necessarily. I don't even know if you are white yourself)

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    you don't know how many times you have NOT been pulled over, have NOT been profiled in a housing or job application, or what barriers were NOT put in front of your parents or grandparents just because they looked a certain way. That is white privilege.
    This is really twisted logic. Illegally denying a right to someone does not translate into a privilege for others. Injustice exists everywhere. Blaming those who escape it is nonsense and takes energy away from fighting it.

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    Even if we had a perfectly 'level playing field' right now, the effects of history don't go away instantly. The social class one is born into, how likely one is to inherit money or get financial help from one's parents, or to live in a place with good schools, or to have role models readily visible, relatives with PhDs or successful businesses, depends on what happened over the past couple of centuries. It's not infallible, but it certainly affects one's odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    Are you actually interested?

    Of course not only white people are racist. But the history and structures still in place in this country have been set up explicitly to benefit white people. Therefore every white person has some amount of privilege, just by living in a society that has not actively discriminated against them in the same way as it has people of other races.

    It does not mean that you or I did anything racist to become privileged, just that it does exist and should be acknowledged.

    The idea being once it is recognized, the barriers still in place to hold others back can be removed.

    Not every white person has a great affluent life, obviously. That is not what white privilege means. But you don't know how many times you have NOT been pulled over, have NOT been profiled in a housing or job application, or what barriers were NOT put in front of your parents or grandparents just because they looked a certain way. That is white privilege.

    (I don't mean you specifically necessarily. I don't even know if you are white yourself)
    This is white privilege, and it will take generations to eradicate it:

    Resumes with "white" names elicit a significantly higher response rate than do resumes with "non-white" names.

    This research dates from 2003:

    Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination

    Abstract.

    We study race in the labor market by sending fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perceived race, resumes are randomly assigned African-American- or White-sounding names. White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. Callbacks are also more respon- sive to resume quality for White names than for African-American ones. The racial gap is uniform across occupation, industry, and employer size. We also find little evidence that employers are inferring social class from the names. Differential treatment by race still appears to still be prominent in the U.S. labor market. (JEL J71, J64).

    Employers' Replies to Racial Names

    Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback.

    A job applicant with a name that sounds like it might belong to an African-American - say, Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones - can find it harder to get a job. Despite laws against discrimination, affirmative action, a degree of employer enlightenment, and the desire by some businesses to enhance profits by hiring those most qualified regardless of race, African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed and they earn nearly 25 percent less when they are employed.

    Now a "field experiment" by NBER Faculty Research Fellows Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan measures this discrimination in a novel way. In response to help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston newspapers, they sent resumes with either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. Thus, they experimentally manipulated perception of race via the name on the resume. Half of the applicants were assigned African-American names that are "remarkably common" in the black population, the other half white sounding names, such as Emily Walsh or Greg Baker.

    To see how the credentials of job applicants affect discrimination, the authors varied the quality of the resumes they used in response to a given ad. Higher quality applicants were given a little more labor market experience on average and fewer holes in their employment history. They were also portrayed as more likely to have an email address, to have completed some certification degree, to possess foreign language skills, or to have been awarded some honors.

    In total, the authors responded to more than 1,300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical, and customer services job categories, sending out nearly 5,000 resumes. The ads covered a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mailroom to office and sales management positions.

    The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.

    The 50 percent gap in callback rates is statistically very significant, Bertrand and Mullainathan note in Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination (NBER Working Paper No. 9873). It indicates that a white name yields as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience. Race, the authors add, also affects the reward to having a better resume. Whites with higher quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower quality resumes. But the positive impact of a better resume for those with Africa-American names was much smaller.

    "While one may have expected that improved credentials may alleviate employers' fear that African-American applicants are deficient in some unobservable skills, this is not the case in our data," the authors write. "Discrimination therefore appears to bite twice, making it harder not only for African-Americans to find a job but also to improve their employability."

    From a policy standpoint, this aspect of the findings suggests that training programs alone may not be enough to alleviate the barriers raised by discrimination, the authors write. "If African-Americans recognize how employers reward their skills, they may be rationally more reluctant than whites to even participate in these programs."

    The experiment, conducted between July 2001 and January 2002, reveals several other aspects of discrimination. If the fictitious resume indicates that the applicant lives in a wealthier, or more educated, or more-white neighborhood, the callback rate rises. Interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. Indeed, if ghettos and bad neighborhoods are particularly stigmatizing for African-Americans, one might have expected them to be helped more than whites by having a "good" address.

    Further, discrimination levels are statistically uniform across all the occupation and industry categories covered in the experiment. Federal contractors, sometimes regarded as more severely constrained by affirmative action laws, do not discriminate less. Neither do larger employers, or employers who explicitly state that they are "Equal Opportunity Employer" in their ads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    This is really twisted logic. Illegally denying a right to someone does not translate into a privilege for others. Injustice exists everywhere. Blaming those who escape it is nonsense and takes energy away from fighting it.
    You misunderstand. Its not about blaming those who escape injustice. Its about acknowledging that the playing field is still not level and working to improve that. I think people chafe so much on the term "privilege" because they feel like they are being blamed for doing something, but that is not necessarily the case. You are born into privilege, you didn't necessarily do anything to deserve or cause it, that's the whole point.

    Also some people truly perceive that they are privileged and just do not want to lose that position in society. The zero-sum worldview. I'll be charitable and assume that nobody here fits that pattern.

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    I was very proud of a friend who lives up near Boston and somehow through her healthcare provider ended up with a COVID vaccination appointment on Nantucket. So she spent yesterday driving down early so she'd have a chance to get her car on the ferry - about $200 more expensive than leaving the car here and getting a cab on Island - and all the fraldelal. Very early for ferry. A good 4 hours early for the shot. Pouring rain and little open for amusement.

    As we gossiped on the phone and she retold her adventures, she said, "This is a real example of white privilege. I have the time and the money to do this when so many do not."

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    And this more recent research (2017) shows the problem hasn't gone away in the last couple of decades.

    Whitened Resumes: Race and Self-Presentation in the Labor Market

    Abstract.

    Racial discrimination in labor markets is a critical process through which organizations produce economic inequality in society. Though scholars have extensively examined the discriminatory decisions and practices of employers, the question of how job seekers try to adapt to anticipated discrimination is often overlooked. Using interviews, a laboratory experiment, and a resume audit study, we examine racial minorities' attempts to avoid discrimination by concealing or downplaying racial cues in job applications, a practice known as "resume whitening." While some minority job seekers reject this practice, others view it as essential and use a variety of whitening techniques. When targeting an employer that presents itself as valuing diversity, however, minority job applicants engage in relatively little resume whitening and thus submit more racially transparent resumes. Yet, our audit study shows that organizational diversity statements are not actually associated with reduced discrimination against unwhitened resumes. Taken together, these findings suggest a paradox: Minorities may be particularly likely to experience disadvantage when they apply to ostensibly pro-diversity employers. These findings illuminate the role of racial concealment and transparency in modern labor markets and point to an important interplay between the self-presentation of employers and the self-presentation of job seekers in shaping economic inequality.

    Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews

    Minority job applicants are "whitening" their resumes by deleting references to their race with the hope of boosting their shot at jobs, and research shows the strategy is paying off.

    In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race--and this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don't.

    These research findings should provide a startling wakeup call for business executives: A bias against minorities runs rampant through the resume screening process at companies throughout the United States, says Katherine A. DeCelles, the James M. Collins Visiting Associate Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School.

    "Discrimination still exists in the workplace," DeCelles says. "Organizations now have an opportunity to recognize this issue as a pinch point, so they can do something about it."

    DeCelles co-authored a September 2016 article about the two-year study in Administrative Science Quarterly called Whitened Resumes: Race and Self-Presentation in the Labor Market (pdf) with Sonia K. Kang, assistant professor of organizational behavior and human resource management at the University of Toronto Mississauga; Andras Tilcsik, assistant professor of strategic management at the University of Toronto; and Sora Jun, a doctoral candidate at Stanford University.

    In one study, the researchers created resumes for black and Asian applicants and sent them out for 1,600 entry-level jobs posted on job search websites in 16 metropolitan sections of the United States. Some of the resumes included information that clearly pointed out the applicants' minority status, while others were whitened, or scrubbed of racial clues. The researchers then created email accounts and phone numbers for the applicants and observed how many were invited for interviews.

    'Whitened' resumes produce more job call-backs for African Americans



    Employer callbacks for resumes that were whitened fared much better in the application pile than those that included ethnic information, even though the qualifications listed were identical. Twenty-five percent of black candidates received callbacks from their whitened resumes, while only 10 percent got calls when they left ethnic details intact. Among Asians, 21 percent got calls if they used whitened resumes, whereas only 11.5 percent heard back if they sent resumes with racial references.

    'Pro-diversity' employers discriminate, too

    What's worse for minority applicants: When an employer says it values diversity in its job posting by including words like "equal opportunity employer" or "minorities are strongly encouraged to apply," many minority applicants get the false impression that it's safe to reveal their race on their resumes--only to be rejected later.

    In one study to test whether minorities whiten less often when they apply for jobs with employers that seem diversity-friendly, the researchers asked some participants to craft resumes for jobs that included pro-diversity statements and others to write resumes for jobs that didn't mention diversity.

    They found minorities were half as likely to whiten their resumes when applying for jobs with employers who said they care about diversity. One black student explained in an interview that with each resume she sent out, she weighed whether to include her involvement in a black student organization: "If the employer is known for like trying to employ more people of color and having like a diversity outreach program, then I would include it because in that sense they're trying to broaden their employees, but if they're not actively trying to reach out to other people of other races, then no, I wouldn't include it."

    But these applicants who let their guard down about their race ended up inadvertently hurting their chances of being considered: Employers claiming to be pro-diversity discriminated against resumes with racial references just as much as employers who didn't mention diversity at all in their job ads.

    "This is a major point of our research--that you are at an even greater risk for discrimination when applying with a pro-diversity employer because you're being more transparent," DeCelles says. "Those companies have the same rate of discrimination, which makes you more vulnerable when you expose yourself to those companies."
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    All that the bleached resume does is to increase the probability of a bit on the part of the prospective employer. And, assuming they actually get to an in-person interview — an obvious accent giving away minority status in a phone interview might torpedo their prospects — they still have to overcome the hurdle of their skin color. So they are still less likely to get the job offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    This is really twisted logic. Illegally denying a right to someone does not translate into a privilege for others. Injustice exists everywhere. Blaming those who escape it is nonsense and takes energy away from fighting it.
    How do you figure. If you deny some other group the ability to vote, does it not give your group an advantage?
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Madison View Post
    Are you actually interested?
    Oh yeah, I'm interested.
    I spent 8 years living in public housing and working at a homeless shelter.
    I've seen it all and done it all.
    I've been in more situations where being white was certainly not a privilege.
    Especially in the last 10 years.
    I think I'll have to politely disagree but don't let me stop you.
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    So why are white politicians trying to make it harder for non whites to vote?

    If they believe they are so superior, why the need to cheat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domesticated_Mr. Know It All View Post
    Oh yeah, I'm interested.
    I spent 8 years living in public housing and working at a homeless shelter.
    I've seen it all and done it all.
    I've been in more situations where being white was certainly not a privilege.
    Especially in the last 10 years.
    I think I'll have to politely disagree but don't let me stop you.
    Obviously every white person is not born into 'privilege', as the word is normally used. Having ancestors who came from Europe doesn't guarantee anything - but it very much improves your odds. That's undeniable. The past happened, and its effects don't vanish when we end slavery or repeal Jim Crow laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    So why are white politicians trying to make it harder for non whites to vote?

    If they believe they are so superior, why the need to cheat?

    That's what their Daddy's did and Black people will vote for Black people running against them.
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    Republican politicians are trying to make it harder for people to vote who are more likely to vote against them. Skin color just makes it easier to identify them.
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    Back in about the 1840s ( I think) in the US, the Irish were discriminated against in employment, housing, etc. It would be hard to find a people whiter than the Irish.
    A lot of what is mentioned as an example of white privilege, e.g. not being followed in stores, seems like just the basic way anybody should be treated.
    Disproportionate rates of traffic citations are also mentioned, but never the courts' dispositions. I would think that the judges would get weary of a high rate of bogus tickets clogging up the wheels of justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domesticated_Mr. Know It All View Post
    Oh yeah, I'm interested.
    I spent 8 years living in public housing and working at a homeless shelter.
    I've seen it all and done it all.
    I've been in more situations where being white was certainly not a privilege.
    Especially in the last 10 years.
    I think I'll have to politely disagree but don't let me stop you.
    You are certainly not alone in feeling that way. Here is a short article by someone who had a similar opinion to you. I think she makes some good points.

    From the article:

    "I, maybe more than most people, can completely understand why broke white folks get pissed when theword "Privilege" is thrown around. As a child, I was constantly discriminated against because of mypoverty and those wounds still run very deep."

    https://medschool.duke.edu/sites/med...ite_person.pdf
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    That's a very good essay. Again, being white doesn't at all mean you'll have an easy life, or won't experience injustice - but it certainly improves your odds. I don't much like the use of the word 'privilege' in that context; I think it too often makes people defensive, and requires altogether too much explanation. But we appear to be stuck with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Back in about the 1840s ( I think) in the US, the Irish were discriminated against in employment, housing, etc. It would be hard to find a people whiter than the Irish.
    A lot of what is mentioned as an example of white privilege, e.g. not being followed in stores, seems like just the basic way anybody should be treated.
    Disproportionate rates of traffic citations are also mentioned, but never the courts' dispositions. I would think that the judges would get weary of a high rate of bogus tickets clogging up the wheels of justice.
    My neighbor for a year or so was a Newark, NJ cop. Drinking with his buddies at a party, they were bragging about giving tickets to black drivers for violations that they hadn't committed. Two cops would go to court and swear the driver ran a red light.

    What's the judge to do?
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    That's a very good essay. Again, being white doesn't at all mean you'll have an easy life, or won't experience injustice - but it certainly improves your odds. I don't much like the use of the word 'privilege' in that context; I think it too often makes people defensive, and requires altogether too much explanation. But we appear to be stuck with it.
    Yes, a word we are stuck with.

    In my book I gave some ink to the notion that instead of worrying about what kind of ancestors we had, we might wonder what kind of ancestors we'll be, which we have some control over.

    A rising tide lifts all boats, the lower/middle class IS THAT TIDE. If those in those categories do better, everyone does better.
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    Pulled into a supermarket in Windhoek. Dozens of chancers trying it on... Can I have a dollar. Hello Sir, look after your car 5 dollars, please Sir, 10 dollars? Car park hyenas. They don't go for the Black guy sitting in 100,000 dollar BMW, they go for a white scruffy dude in a 10 bucks a day rental.
    Dude rocks up, 'im hungry Sir, can you buy me some food please? I don't want money...'. OK I say, I'll get you some food, just chill out.

    I go to buy my shopping, and get him a sausage and chips from the deli, pay for my stuff and go back to the car. When I get to my car he's there with 5 buddies. All selling, all begging talking 9 to the dozen. Dude next to me in his BMW completely absorbed in his smartphone. I pack my stuff into the car amidst the jabber, and then give the man his dinner. He looks, at it, and says it is too cheap, too small. I'm furious, tell him to piss off, and try to take back the food. Ingrate. A scuffle later and the sausage and chips is all over the car park asphalt. He squats down and starts eating it off the car park looking at me and saying 'see, I even eat it off the road, I'm so poor and hungry.. Ass hole white guy.. .' I tell him that he's not the only one to have been poor, I was too, and squat down with him and eat off the floor with him. He is shocked. I pick up half a sausage and eat it AT him. He picks up some fries from a dirty spot and puts them in his mouth with mock relish.. And there we are in a dirty eat off, trying to get our messages across. I stood up to go to my car, telling him that when he asks for help, and somebody helps him, he should learn some manners. Just say thanks, no biggy.. One of his buddies who was trying to sell me some crap, agreed, in fact he would start to teach his ungrateful
    friend that evening he told me. Could he just have 5 bucks to pay for his teaching lessons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    How do you figure. If you deny some other group the ability to vote, does it not give your group an advantage?
    If I do that, then yes.

    Its not about blaming those who escape injustice. Its about acknowledging that the playing field is still not level and working to improve that. I think people chafe so much on the term "privilege" because they feel like they are being blamed for doing something, but that is not necessarily the case.
    It certainly sounds like it is passive-aggressive blaming. An attempt to make people feel guilty about enjoying a supposed privilege. It lumps anti-racists with racists based on skin color.

    It is as stupid a slogan as "defund the police". I say this as someone who believes most police departments need to be abolished and started over, not just defunded.

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    Police departments spend an inordinate, disproportionately large part of their budgets on low level drug arrests. Legalizing and decriminalizing marijuana, therefor has the effect of increasing police funding.
    Ironic?

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    'Privilege' might have been a poor choice of word, but it's become sort of the defacto standard. I suspect it was chosen to sound as unpleasant as possible, and it does, bringing up images of aristocrats lording it over the smelly mud-smeared peasants. Few of us are like that; it irritates me too, although I'm mostly used to it by now. It's not as stupid as 'defund the police', though.

    But I think it is intended to mean 'unearned advantages of being white'. These are very real, although they're statistical; not everybody who sunburns easily necessarily gets all of them, but your odds are a lot better. Some of them are the result of things that happen now; If I get stopped by a cop, chances are he's going to be polite and call me 'sir', and nothing too unpleasant will happen. If I were 25 and black, the odds are worse. Some of them are the result ot things that happened a long time ago. My grandfather in Macon GA had a job where he made enough money to send my mother to college, and she went to a high school that had advanced courses for particularly bright kids; neither school allowed black students. It's vanishingly unlikely that any of that would have happened in Georgia in the '40s if they were descendants of slaves. Many of the unearned advantages correlate with social class, education, and income as well as race - but one's social class, income, and education are strongly affected by the things that happened to one's ancestors.

    So that's how I understand the phrase 'white privilege'. Some of it's preferential treatment that I get now, although that's far less that in previous times, and getting rarer. Some of it's better odds of avoiding injustices or mistreatment, things that shouldn't happen to anyone. Much of it is the holdover effects of injustices of previous times, which affect my family, social class, income, and education. This is not to say past injustices benefited my ancestors directly; they didn't much. None of them were nearly rich enough to own slaves, and particularly my father's family was pretty poor. The real effect is on the odds of me being born into a better situation. Because of past injustices, my odds are much better of being born in an upper-middle-class well-educated family with enough money than if I were black. No credit to me, no blame to me or my ancestors - but it's undoubtedly true. History has effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George. View Post
    If I do that, then yes.



    It certainly sounds like it is passive-aggressive blaming. An attempt to make people feel guilty about enjoying a supposed privilege. It lumps anti-racists with racists based on skin color.

    It is as stupid a slogan as "defund the police". I say this as someone who believes most police departments need to be abolished and started over, not just defunded.
    Defund the police" was a dumb slogan.

    Black Live Matter , too" would have been a better choice.

    All that said, I see white people trying to prevent black people from voting. I don't see black people trying to prevent white people from voting.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David W Pratt View Post
    Police departments spend an inordinate, disproportionately large part of their budgets on low level drug arrests. Legalizing and decriminalizing marijuana, therefor has the effect of increasing police funding.
    Ironic?
    Not just marijuana. Other drugs. Illegal drugs work as well as illegal booze did. We had enough sense to repeal Prohibition.

    During that period, people died from drinking homemade booze that wasn't safe to drink.

    A legal product gives some control over quality. It saves all the money spent on enforcing drug laws that don't really work. It also provides tax revenue. And puts the cartels out of business insofar as the US is concerned.
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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    "White privilege" is short lines for voting. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wilson View Post
    'Privilege' might have been a poor choice of word, but it's become sort of the defacto standard. I suspect it was chosen to sound as unpleasant as possible, and it does, bringing up images of aristocrats lording it over the smelly mud-smeared peasants. Few of us are like that; it irritates me too, although I'm mostly used to it by now.

    So that's how I understand the phrase 'white privilege'. Some of it's preferential treatment that I get now, although that's far less that in previous times, and getting rarer.
    If you examine the country, you might find your view in error.

    There are a large number of people who ensure that their kids have "merit" and minority kids don't. And that "merit" is a proper - perhaps only, means of selection/discrimination.

    I am sure that you worked hard to ensure your kids had the merit necessary to go to college and get a good job. There is nothing wrong with that.
    Life is complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Little Time View Post
    If you examine the country, you might find your view in error.

    There are a large number of people who ensure that their kids have "merit" and minority kids don't. And that "merit" is a proper - perhaps only, means of selection/discrimination.

    I am sure that you worked hard to ensure your kids had the merit necessary to go to college and get a good job. There is nothing wrong with that.
    What does the color of your skin have to do with merit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smith View Post
    Why are you afraid to compete on a level field?
    Exactly why I dislike liberal philosophy, I only judge people on their character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    Exactly why I dislike liberal philosophy, I only judge people on their character.
    And the world sprang into being out of nothingness twelve seconds ago; history does not exist.
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    Actually, that came out too snarky; sorry. Judging people by what they do with the hand they've been dealt makes sense - but never forget that history stacks the deck. One's chance of being born into a good situation varies a great deal, and one major factor is ethnicity, and the history of one's ancestors. The past is not gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodpile View Post
    Exactly why I dislike liberal philosophy, I only judge people on their character.
    It would be nice if the GOP would all think that way, but they are doing there best to prevent people of color from voting, without regard to their character.

    How would you define the 'character' of those pushing these restrictions?
    "alternative facts (lies)" are a cancer eating through a democracy, and will kill it. 1st amendment is not absolute.

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