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    Default freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    According to the video this happened on january the 17th of 2021.
    Anchoring in the Black sea can be dangerous.


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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    everyone got off?
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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    Well, that is certainly disturbing...
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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    So far as I've read, 5 survivoes, 2 dead, search continues for remainder of crew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    Not quite the standard form of “Mayday” call, but with DSC it matters less.
    I think he panicked and forgot his training. Mayday 3 times Vessel name, location, problem (I don't think "My vessel is broken", quite cuts it.
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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    Stock picture of MV Arvin in better shape.
    mv arvin.jpg

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    The explanation I heard was to do with the fetch between waves. Both ends supported but not the midships.
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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    It was ANCHORED ?

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    I a surprised that the deck held together for as long as it did.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    Two other ships evident in the initial video, one to port the other starboard? Did either make any effort to help disabled crew within sight?

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    Man!
    RIP for the dead and hope of rescue for the missing.

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    A Palau-flagged general cargo ship sank off the coast of Turkey’s Black Sea province of Bartin, with four of the 13 crew dead and another three still missing.
    Palau are a relatively new Flag state, this is their policy document: https://www.palaureg.com/wp-content/...OF-VESSELS.pdf
    We need ACB to comment on how robust it is. With a 45yo cargo vessel on the books, one must question that. Although as a River-Sea vessel, there may nave been some restrictions (ignored) on what sea she was allowed to transit.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    ^ Perhaps, but ships of the highly regarded flag states also occasionally sink.
    The chance that this ship is not well maintained seems high, but perhaps we will never know the real reason of the hull failure.

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    The video I saw yesterday showed at least two other vessels in the area. It's inexcusable that anyone died with help that close, at least in my opinion. In addition I understand she was a river boat, never intended to be in such conditions, wasted steel notwithstanding
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    The video I saw yesterday showed at least two other vessels in the area. It's inexcusable that anyone died with help that close, at least in my opinion. In addition I understand she was a river boat, never intended to be in such conditions, wasted steel notwithstanding
    It's a type of ship that is not uncommon in Europe.
    These ships are designed for coastal navigation and as a bonus they can navigate far inshore on the larger rivers of Europe. On the Rhine they can reach the Ruhr area. On the Seine they can reach Paris etc.
    This is a fairly recent one, the Emsriff.
    Kruiplijncoaster_Emsriff.jpg

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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Adams View Post
    The video I saw yesterday showed at least two other vessels in the area. It's inexcusable that anyone died with help that close, at least in my opinion. In addition I understand she was a river boat, never intended to be in such conditions, wasted steel notwithstanding
    Were they also at anchor?> G
    Hard to tell from the glimpses on the video.
    There is a bad photo if her gust before she actually disappeared that looks as though one lifeboat at least had not been launched.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchpp View Post
    It's a type of ship that is not uncommon in Europe.
    These ships are designed for coastal navigation and as a bonus they can navigate far inshore on the larger rivers of Europe. On the Rhine they can reach the Ruhr area. On the Seine they can reach Paris etc.
    This is a fairly recent one, the Emsriff.
    Kruiplijncoaster_Emsriff.jpg
    Yep.
    However, I suspect that the Black Sea is a bit more oceanic than the southern North Sea and English Channel. You would need to be amongst the oil rigs to meet seas that big.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yep.
    However, I suspect that the Black Sea is a bit more oceanic than the southern North Sea and English Channel. You would need to be amongst the oil rigs to meet seas that big.
    Yes possibly.
    This is a map of the maximum wave heights on the Black sea;
    golfhoogte zwarte zee.jpg
    The anchoring area is on the southern shore a touch left of the centre.

    The maximum wave height on the southern north sea, with a maximum dept of approximately 30-35 meters is approximately 0,4* waterdepth in meters ( source Technical university Delft), that's roughly 12 or 13 meters, but closer to the coastline it will be substantially lower.
    Sly_Northsea.jpg

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    ^ They were not anchored where the highest seas are indicated, But with the current weather weirding that the monthly maximum can be exceeded.
    Bottom line is, she was worn out.
    I found this:
    A port state control inspection in Georgia last year found extensive deficiencies on board the Arvin, including deck corrosion and ill-maintained weathertight hatches, according to her Equasis record.
    https://forum.gcaptain.com/t/ukrania...n-half/58208/3 Scroll down a fair bit.
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    Ratus ratus bilgeous snipeous!

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    Default Re: freighter breaks in two and sinks in the black sea

    Very fair analysis.
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