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    That's a complex, curvy and beautiful piece of hardware Mike.
    I have a hard enough time getting the straight lines to line up.
    Lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneT View Post
    That's a complex, curvy and beautiful piece of hardware Mike.
    I have a hard enough time getting the straight lines to line up.
    Lovely.
    Thanks Wayne.

    Sometimes I think that the straight lines are harder to do, because you only get one option.

    Cheers,
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    I have now epoxied the case up in two separate halves.

    IMG-4472.jpgIMG-4473.jpg

    The screw holes have been filled and the case panels have had a little fairing work to create a fair even curve.
    Edges were taped up to keep them epoxy free and 200 gram ( 6 Oz) glass cloth was cut to fit.

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    Epoxy was applied using a squeegee and left until sticky tape tacky ( sticky but does not stick to your finger after touching it), whereupon a filler coat ( 50/50 epoxy, 410 filler) was rolled on.
    Will longboard it all tomorrow, clamp it together and then check the clearances with the dagger board.

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    And again, it came well with my morning coffee.
    Excellent work.
    It´s time to do an update at the CH 21 too. I´ve been rather lazy taking pictures these days.
    Your efforts inspire me to get going again.
    Cheers Max

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    And again, it came well with my morning coffee.
    Excellent work.
    It´s time to do an update at the CH 21 too. I´ve been rather lazy taking pictures these days.
    Your efforts inspire me to get going again.
    Cheers Max
    Thanks Max.
    Yes, press on , keep us updated.
    Cheers.

    The cloth has now been trimmed and both halves of the case have been sanded to fair using the dagger board profile pattern as a guide.

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    A coat of resin (with 10% by volume of graphite powder added) was brushed on and left to cure.

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    This first coat was sanded with 80 grit on a long block and then the edges were given an extra coat to build up the layer thickness.

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    The edge coats were blended in with 80 grit and then the complete surface finished with 120 grit... for the moment.

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    Last night I managed to apply 410 fairing filler on the outside of the case panels.
    This morning everything was faired up and I finished off the inside graphite surface with 240 grit paper.

    IMG-4510.jpgIMG-4514 (1).jpg

    Glass cloth and Peel Ply were cut to fit.
    Using fast hardener helped speed things up a bit as I wanted to get the staves on today as well.

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    While the epoxy was curing, I milled up part of a demolished Rimu bench that I had saved especially for this particular part of the project.
    It had a very unusual pattern in the grain, which will be highlighted more so when the staves are epoxied.
    Unfortunately, there is a bit more detail to go on regarding a detachable thwart, that will partially obscure some of the staves.
    The staves are about 4 mm (5/32") thick and in the photos above are dry fitted.

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    So then it was a case to wet fit.
    The staves were removed and wiped with a rag to get rid of any dust.
    The case panels were wiped, epoxy primed around the inside edges and a thick 413/epoxy mix was spread evenly over the surface.
    The back, ends and edges of each stave were primed with epoxy and laid into the case.
    Flexible battens were laid over the staves and weights placed to hold them evenly in place.

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    Lookin nice ey!
    That one picture has a wee bit of a similarity to a roman column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Lookin nice ey!
    That one picture has a wee bit of a similarity to a roman column.
    It does a bit, now that you mention it Max.
    Like Rome, this dagger board case certainly wasn't built in a day either...and it's still not finished.
    The main reason for building the case at this stage was to figure out the frame placements in the dinghy.
    Certainly looking forward to getting back to that.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Two coats of epoxy sealer and the heart Rimu grain is starting show itself. Quite unusual.
    One more coat before the varnish goes on.

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    Again, the photos are not really doing it justice.
    Will stand out even more when the frame is painted off white.
    All the staves were milled out of a 3" by 3" bench support leg.

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    Not a lot happening on the dinghy front, except for varnishing.

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    Two coats down and one more to go.
    Decided to do it now while the case is in two halves, each piece can lie flat to help even the flow.
    I'm using Hempel Diamond varnish, it is a two pot mix that I have applied over three coats of penetrating epoxy.

    Have been away sailing on Rawhiti at the conclusion of the NZ Classic Yacht Regatta which was postponed due to covid.

    Rawhiti Ariki.jpg Rawhiti crew.jpg

    Rawhiti on the right leading Ariki to the finish.
    We were two from two on line for the day.

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    Awesome boats man.
    And fantastic boat building timbers you got in NZ.
    It is still chilly here,in the nights below freezing.. So no progress here exept sanding all topside for the next coat of primer.
    I did some nice sailing with LJS though. Dressed like a inuit.

    cheers Max

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    That's quite a flecky grain for rimu Mike. Looks lovely under the varnish.

    Good to see you got out to finish that sail!

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    Great sailing and photos, Mike. That varnished rimu looks really good too. Would I be right in saying that rimu is very strong and handsome in straight pieces, as here, and in cabin joinery, but not under bending stress?
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Awesome boats man.
    And fantastic boat building timbers you got in NZ.
    It is still chilly here,in the nights below freezing.. So no progress here exept sanding all topside for the next coat of primer.
    I did some nice sailing with LJS though. Dressed like a inuit.

    cheers Max
    Hi Max,
    Yes they are lovely boats to sail, very powerful and can handle a good breeze.
    Light conditions that day but that just allows us to put up more sail.
    As far as the Rimu goes it's not really a boat building timber as such. The Maori used it for canoes if the good stuff ( Kauri, Totara) wasn't available.
    More of a structural timber in it's day but also good for furniture ,especially the heart timbers.
    Cheers,
    Mike.

    Quote Originally Posted by WayneT View Post
    That's quite a flecky grain for rimu Mike. Looks lovely under the varnish.
    Good to see you got out to finish that sail!
    Hi Wayne, A very unusual grain for sure. Definitely Rimu though, as my nose and eyes will attest.

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    It was one piece that stood out from about eighty pieces of the above demolished bench timbers. That's only half of them.
    Just put, what I thought would be, the last coat of varnish on the dagger board case but there seems to be a lot of dust around due to a particular windy day here.
    To many draughty windows around the workshop I think , should have checked the forecast. Ah well, another coat won't hurt.

    It was a great day on the water, not like the day before, racing postponed due to high winds.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

    Quote Originally Posted by IanMilne View Post
    Great sailing and photos, Mike. That varnished rimu looks really good too. Would I be right in saying that rimu is very strong and handsome in straight pieces, as here, and in cabin joinery, but not under bending stress?
    Cheers,
    Ian
    Hi Ian,
    Hope all is going well with you.
    You would be right there Ian regarding the Rimu. I have never seen or heard of Rimu being steamed at all, as far as I can remember. It's elasticity figures are not outstanding put it that way.
    Any curved pieces I have made or seen have been either sawn or laminated.
    Any heart timber used for exterior joinery (houses) still needed a good coat of paint ,which hid all the nice grain unfortunately.

    Stay well,
    Mike.
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    "as my nose and eyes will detest". Do you mean attest?

    Thanks, Mike. I'm going quite well just now, but will be having radiation treatment in May, so that will slow me down again. Anyway, it's in a good cause (me!). I'm still trying to get that pram dinghy finished.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanMilne View Post
    "as my nose and eyes will detest". Do you mean attest?
    Ha! The condition of my nose and eyes attest to the fact they detest Rimu dust.
    Cheers,
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    While waiting for the varnish to cure enough to sand, I decided to make the handle for the top of the dagger board.
    Now the name of the dinghy is "Deilf " which is Gaelic for dolphin.
    The top of the dagger board case has been shaped to the profile of a dolphin ( kind of) but the handle will have a bit more detail.

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    Using a suitable block of Kauri (an old table leg) the side profiles were drawn on first, bandsawn, then the top profile drawn and cut.
    As can be seen in the above photos, the initial profile shaping has begun, with a finger recess for pulling the board up also in place.

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    The top of the dagger board has been cut to the top profile of the case. The base of the handle has been shaped to fit both board and case.

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    It's a work in progress. Still requires a little finishing plus more detail will be added at a later stage.
    The handle will be epoxy sealed then varnished.

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    Those are lovely lines on the handle Mike. I can see the dolphin in there for sure. You are quite the wood sculptor.
    How did you do the finger recess? Is that router work?
    Also on the topic of rimu, would you ever consider it for cleats? I’ve got lots of chunks of it inherited from my grandfather that would be nice to work into the boat. They would work size-wise but I wonder about it’s brittleness and strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneT View Post
    Those are lovely lines on the handle Mike. I can see the dolphin in there for sure. You are quite the wood sculptor.
    How did you do the finger recess? Is that router work?
    Also on the topic of rimu, would you ever consider it for cleats? I’ve got lots of chunks of it inherited from my grandfather that would be nice to work into the boat. They would work size-wise but I wonder about it’s brittleness and strength.
    Cheers Wayne.
    The finger recess was hollowed out using a Dremel with a sanding drum attachment. Following this, I used sandpaper glued to a couple of different diameter dowels.
    Yeah, I'm just playing around with some ideas really, it won't be everyones cup of tea, not even sure how practical it will be with the fine ends but hey it's fun to try different things.

    As far as the Rimu cleats go, only use heart, it's obviously harder and stronger. It can be a bit hit and miss as far as the brittleness is concerned, depends on the grain orientation.
    Some Rimu can have a high resin content, which gives it a marbled look, avoid those bits. These are harder areas of the wood, dulls blades and can split along the resin line.
    Otherwise, go for it, make a few spares just in case, coat them in resin, try not to let your lines chafe them.
    As far as belaying cleats go they should be fine, very decorative and distinctly Kiwi.

    Cheers,
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    The dagger board handle has a face.

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    And now a couple of coats of resin.
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    It certainly does! Nice grain pattern in the kauri too.
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    Cheers Ian,
    Yes the grain has come up quite well.

    Finally glued the dagger board case together, but before that I lay in four opposing strips of loop Velcro tape either side.

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    This will apply friction to the board.



    The fit is quite firm, with a little added water it will slide quite nicely.

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    The top of the dagger board has been shaped to the case profile as well as the handle.
    The handle and case frame are in the process of being sealed, eventually the case frame will be painted off white.
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    Good idea with that velcro strips!
    Love the dolphin.
    Remindes me sign I saw in NZ some time back.
    Something like " Eveybody needs a porpois in life"

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    Wow, that is special!

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Good idea with that velcro strips!
    Love the dolphin.
    Remindes me sign I saw in NZ some time back.
    Something like " Eveybody needs a porpois in life"
    Cheers Max,
    The Velcro straps worked out well, I was a little concerned that they would not be thick enough.

    There's something a little fishy about that sign...


    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Wow, that is special!

    Pete
    Cheers Pete, nearly finished.

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    Just in the process now of fitting the handle to the board, similar to the method used to attach the foot.

    Cheers,
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    Lovely work as usual Mike - very nice job on the handle, I love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Lovely work as usual Mike - very nice job on the handle, I love it!
    Thanks Greg,

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    I have just epoxied it on, now at last a permanent fixture.
    The epoxy coating has been sanded ready for varnishing, the final act.

    Cheers,
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    I have now worked out the frame spacing ( 400 mm , 15 3/4 ")in the cockpit between the fore and aft bulkheads. Only the most forward frame will be bisected by the dagger board case, the two mid frames will run from gunnel to gunnel but scarfed over the keel timber and the aft frame will be basically a floor.
    All the frames will be scribed across each strake and batten. The two mid frames, once fitted, will have a floor laminated on top which will support the sole boards in conjunction with the aft frame.

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    Once the line of the frame was established across the hull, short strips of MDF were individually measured between each batten then hot glued together using strips across the top of each batten.
    This gives the outline of the frame. This pattern was then placed on the laminating table. Using a flexible batten, a line was drawn just outside the line of the pattern to establish a fair curve.


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    Now at this stage you could place the lam forms around this line but I didn't. I drew a line 30 mm ( thickness of 6 laminates ) parallel to the line toward the inside and fixed the forms there.
    I prefer to draw the laminations in around the outside curve by starting at one end, rather than pull them in from the middle and work out.
    I knew the timber strips would not break as I had pre tested.
    Each laminate is 5 mm thick and 6 laminates are required for each frame. I needed 36 laminates.

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    One down, five to go.

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    Cleaned up the frame of excess epoxy and ran it through the thicknesser.
    The frame is 30 mm ( 1 1/4") square. The width will stay at this measurement but the thickness will reduce slightly with the beveling.

    IMG-4742.jpgIMG-4735.jpg

    The pattern was braced to the correct curve then placed on the frame to transfer the lines of the hull profile.
    The bevels and batten runs were drawn onto the top of the frame, these angles were then transferred onto the bottom of the frame to line up with the drawn profile lines.

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    The inwhale, keel and batten rebates were cut and chiseled followed by beveling with the 4' grinder.
    High spots were found using a feeler gauge. The outboard area was fined tuned first so the frame could pull into the side which then allowed the rebates more toward amidships to line up and drop down to fit.

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    The top edges of the frame were then 1/4 rounded on the router table to soften the look, in other words to take away the chunkiness.
    The scantlings of these frames may seem a little excessive on a ply/batten hull but there are a couple of reasons for this. Hanging knees will be rebated into the top ends to support the side decks, which there will be a lot of time spent sitting on, also because the hull is quite beamy, the frames will help reduce the amount of flex and twist amidships.

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    Very instructive, Mike. Excellent frame!
    Cheers,
    Ian
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    Well thought and worked out.
    You make this looking an easy task to everybody.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanMilne View Post
    Very instructive, Mike. Excellent frame!
    Cheers,
    Ian
    Thanks for the positive critique Ian.
    I'm probably preaching to the converted in most cases, but, even if one person is helped from something found in the info posted or part thereof, then that's all good.
    Cheers,
    Mike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Max F View Post
    Well thought and worked out.
    You make this looking an easy task to everybody.
    Cheers
    Max
    Thanks Max.
    Like yourself, I have been busy with the sandpaper.
    I'm taking the gloss and ripples off the epoxy coating on the inside of the hull, prepping for gluing in the frames and future painting.

    IMG-4747.jpg

    Cheers,
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    Been busy pattern making and laminating the remaining Kauri frames.





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    The two forward frames are now dry fit, still have to add the limber holes... and that slot in the keel will need to be filled too.

    I was looking through some past images and my eye caught the outline of a dolphin in the epoxy stain on the dagger board case.



    IMG-4596 (1).jpgIMG-4592 (1).jpg





    I will be seeing images of dolphins in pieces of toast next...spooky... and no, I do not take any hallucinogens or other mind altering substances.
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    That made me smile.
    I can confirm that you are definitely not hallucinating!

    Cheers,
    Ian
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    Let´s see what happens when you hit the water.
    Maybe this boat will draw dolphins to it all time.
    Do you overbend against springback while laminating the frames?
    Good progress.
    Cheers Max

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