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    http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...lpME7/B_31.jpg"
    some time ago we started rebuilding an old hull

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    The photo I got looks pretty new. And quite nice.

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    Peter, your such a tease!


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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...rrent=A_04.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...lpME7/A_04.jpg" border="0" alt="pat stuffed hull">

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    it was in a bad way, so bad i didnt dare walk on the deck when i surveyed it

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    Nicholson?

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    yes John, camper & nicholson, 1931, 68ft it was teak on rock elm, now on oak

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    Over 4 years I spent 60% of my time supervising the restoration of a big class pre world war 120í, 180 ton yacht , khaya mahogany hull planking replacing honduras on steel composite frames, 75% new boat , & 40% of my time restoring a 95% new Camper & Nicholson , teak on rock elm, now oak & steel frames, 1931 , 68í bermudan cutter the Patience , 45 tons, a later sister ship to C & Nís Flame, I surveyed her to cost the rebuild , as I looked around the boat, it was in such bad condition that I didnít dare stand on the deck except above the beam shelves, as it was all so rotten, as the hull planking was painted it made it hard to ascertain if it was sound or not, after hours of hammer tap sound survey, when itís D flat to G sharp you know your in trouble, gimlet prodding, reading the rivulet rain tracks, the corrosion rock pools, the electrolytic blight orchestra, checking fairness , symmetry & the hundreds of other details that you learn after 29 years surveying hulls, I figured we might be able to save the bulwark, the gripe, the bronze rudder gland & perhaps 5 % of the hull planking, other wise it all needed replacing, we rebuilt her with teak on Slovanian oak, Iíve planked a lot of big hulls, but this is the only one Iíve done in teak, a luxury for a boatbuilder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter radclyffe View Post
    when itís D flat to G sharp you know your in trouble ... reading the rivulet rain tracks, the corrosion rock pools, the electrolytic blight orchestra
    LOL, you're a poet!

    Seriously, great post, I'm drooling just reading your description. I want your job! (And can I keep some of that mahogany and some of those teak offcuts?)

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    thanks Krunch, ill post more, theres not much teak left

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    The yacht had been converted into a ketch in the sixties
    stainless steel honeymoon years, just before they all got into bed with fibreglass, which along with aluminium have to be some of the most ugly & dangerous post war products, but Iím bound to be distressed by these things as my modus operandi is beauty & strength rather than speed & ugly design , all this junk hardware had to be replaced with new bronze hull, deck& mast fittings. After supervising the masting & rigging , & modifying 80% of the rigging fittings on a 1930ís, 30 metre De Fries Lentsch steel schooner built of lomoor iron , I started building another tender for the big class but I let that go when the C&N came in, it was just too exhausting doing the work of 2 or 3 men, costing all boats, chief boatbuilder & shipwright, foreman yacht joiner, masts & spars, rigger, designing, surveying, woman & man management, referee, peacemaker, for 3 big vintage yachts, on top of being in charge of up to 65 people on the big class, I had to teach 35 people on Patience , the core team were 6 Polish joiners, I didnít know what their trades were, because when I asked them they said theyíd done it all, planking, framing, centreline structure, caulking, interior joinery, spars, tanks, blah-blah, so I gave them some tests, I asked them to pattern the fore deadwood & a plank, I could see straight away they were lying to me because they were afraid of losing their jobs ,but no matter, they were hard workers & over 4 years I taught them how to be shipwrights, none spoke Italian & only one spoke a little English, they knew no marine vocabulary in Italian or English, 2 spoke german which I continued to learn , I bought a polish dictionary & translated tools, fastenings, parts of the boat, etc& put up these lists in Polish, Italian & English around the boats , the dart board & the vodka barrel. the latter fell under Yanns control, it didnít matter to me if they were half cut till half ten some mornings, if that was part of the equation of immaculate joinery, so be it, on top of the big class my work load doubled, one headache was joiner Yann on one end of the tender & a fairer with applied filler on the other end, I had to separate them before they punched each other out, also Mr Lacksadaisical on the tender figured his working week started on Friday night when he went snowboarding, another cute clown, thereís one on every crowded scaffolding corner, shooting the breeze what wiv der fag butts an all.
    from The Big Class

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    http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img025.jpg" radclyffe pat launch
    & so begins the struggle to turn an abandoned wreck into a good yacht

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ent=img027.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img027.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe pat foredeck">

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    Tough to think up an appropriate thing to say, given the scope and excellence of the project. Fantastic.

    I like the skylight detail, with the curb underneath the skylight box itself. How is the lower part joined to the upper? Spline, shiplap, glued?

    Have you got any more detail shots of the skylight? Drains, gutters, interiors, etc.

    Thanks for posting

    Jim

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    Jim , half lap, the top is removable, held with catches, i patterned all the bilge tanks to be removed thru the skylights

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    http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img030.jpg" radclyffe lul planking stbd sternpost">
    at the same time i had a gang of italians, planking lulworth

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ent=img031.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img031.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe lul eric decking stbd">
    & a canadian friend eric fisher was laying teak decking

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ent=img032.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img032.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe tender alice">
    i 'm teaching another gang to 95% restore a teak, mahogany & bronze tender

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ent=img026.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img026.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe pat chart desk">
    Jim the chart desk & aft cabin

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ent=img028.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...ME7/img028.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe pat stern launch">

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    Stunning work Peter. Judging by the pictures, it would seem that the wooden boat revival is going strong in Italy. Is that the case?

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    Just when I think the Wooden Boat Forum has fallen to loud mouthed pyschopaths, guys wanting to build a plywood boxboat for $75 and all the strange Star Wars Cantina characters who parade through here...stories like Stephen with the Carlotta and Peter with the Patience drop by and keep me hanging on.

    Wonderful work Peter!!!

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    thanks guys, an italian journalist on Yacht Digest, the equivalent of w b here , told me he has identified 140 yards dealing with wooden boats in italy, a lot of those are modern, epoxy, & mostly smaller boats , day /weekend , almost all motor or row boats, there are about 3 yards that can do big yachts, & a whole drunken violent raft of fishing boat building yards, , but i guess sangermani's was one of the last big yacht yards before the glass endemic

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...t=barca037.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...7/barca037.jpg" border="0" alt="radclyffe pat stern archboard reinforced">

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    http://s791.photobucket.com/albums/y...t=barca058.jpg" target="_blank">http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/y...7/barca058.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">

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    I like this photo because of the contrast in styles! Bring her up to ramming speed!



    You're smoking hot, Peter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Barrett View Post
    Bring her up to ramming speed!
    Beautiful Lew! That floating piece of fiberglass snot wouldn't stand a chance!


    Superb work Peter Radclyffe, I can hardly wipe the sawdust from my eyes!!



    Cheers!


    Peter
    Do it,do it,do it,do it,do it,do it,do it,now!
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    This boat was built with ten thumbs.No fingers were harmed in anyway.

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    Beautifull stuff Mr. Radclyffe.

    BTW If you need a hand with Polish nautical terms, I'd be more than glad to help - too bad I didn't know earlier.

    Or, if you'd prefer, I have a Polish-English-German-French-Dutch nautical dictionary I could donate to the cause (or "pirate") for you if you wish.

    Best o' luck,

    Marcin (the Canuckified Pole who's been re-Polonised, so there!)

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    Beautiful work!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.L.Lenihan View Post
    Beautiful Lew! That floating piece of fiberglass snot wouldn't stand a chance!


    He's good, isn't he! Superb inspiration.

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    thanks guys, ive been on holiday to Assisi without internet reply access, marcin, thats a very kind offer, but it would be better if you keep the book, thank you

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    t

    i designed the chest of drawers in the owners cabin to take apart for access to the yanmar, it has a writing desk pull out, the interior joinery is honduras mahogany, which we were lucky to find in devon, it had been stored for 40 years, wide 20 " boards, some of which we sold to repair the varnished, collision damaged Agneta, £ 700 a board, the whole cost of patience was about 1.8 million euros, great care has to be taken with such expensive, hard to find timber,

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