Does this sail technique have a name?

[The Jeff]

Looking through Vivier's boat plans I noticed this boat has detached the jib's tack from the stem and poled the whole thing out on a spar. Does this technique have a name? And when would it be used? I'm assuming it's only good for dead downwind. I feel like I've seen the same thing with racing yachts in the late 1800's and early 1900's but it must have fallen out of favor.

[wizbang 13]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

i've carried flyin jibs with the jib hoist parralel to the mast , up alongside it, but not like that

[Brian Palmer]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

I'll have to try that sometime. I could do that with my boat because the jib is just set flying.

[Canoeyawl]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

Oar and boom, set wing on wing, or "Reading both pages"!

edit: a lovely looking craft that

[JimConlin]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

There are things called spinnakers.

[Toxophilite]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

It's wing a wing with the jib backwards. I was going to call it wing a wing right when this was posted then I noticed how the jib was set and was unsure if the backwards jib was on purpose and had a name . I guess it gets it farther out.

[Canoeyawl]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

It's no longer a jib, it's a trysail!

[John B]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

Looks like a pretty efficient way of making the most out of what you have to me. Particularly easy with that unstayed rig.
I don't know where ' backwards ' comes in, its just tacked to the pole the same way you'd shift an asymetrical spinnaker tack if the wind went aft. Done it a hundred times.

[The Q]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

It's not unusual for traditional sailing cruisers on the Norfolk Broads to be so fitted.
I couldn't find a picture of it deployed but you can see the equipment here.
Broads cruiser 22 , handicap +2 on broads handicap, that's about 980 on PY she ain't slow.
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I considered it on my little boat, but I didn't need the extra complication.

[The Jeff]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

Interesting, thanks. I knew about spinnakers and see them on boats out in the river, but I haven't been around them to know exactly how they're set up. Now that I think about it I remember watching some videos on Youtube of the historic 18 footers in Sydney doing a similar thing. https://www.flickr.com/photos/anmm_thecommons/8259509143

I could give this a try on my dinghy, but I might have to come up with a pulley system on the jib's tack. It's a little too far forward to get at easily.

[Canoeyawl]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

You could just sheet the jib in hard while tacked to the stem and set another on a pole.
What! You don't have two jibs?
This is basically how Slocum achieved self steering on his voyage around the world.

[dutchpp]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

In the Dutch sailing language this way of sailing is called "Melkmeisje" (Milkmaid).
That was the maid who milked the cows, the name must be related to the headdress.
melkmeisje.jpg

[gypsie]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

And when would it be used? I'm assuming it's only good for dead downwind.

I'd guess it would give you more range than just dead downwind.
No chance of the main shadowing the jib.

Looks like a lot of trouble for very little.

[Toxophilite]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

Really?? It's not a critique. It looks like a type of wing a wing . My understanding of sailing wing a wing is that you don't attach the tack of the jib to the pole, you attach the clew of the jib. That doesn't look like a spinnaker, even an asymetrical one.

I agree with the dutch milkmaid assessment.

Looks like a pretty efficient way of making the most out of what you have to me. Particularly easy with that unstayed rig.
I don't know where ' backwards ' comes in, its just tacked to the pole the same way you'd shift an asymetrical spinnaker tack if the wind went aft. Done it a hundred times.

[Canoeyawl]

Re: Does this sail technique have a name?

A schooner is/was the more noted version of wing on wing