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  • The long shadow of history

    Three maps

    1860, percentage slaves:

    image.png

    2017:

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    2020 Presidential vote.

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    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

  • #2
    Now overlay that with standard of living...
    "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

    "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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    • #3
      Two things demonstrated:

      1) a lot of former slaves and their descendants never moved

      2) those descended from slaves make better citizens than those descended from enslavers

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      • #4
        Here you go, Not quite the same pattern.

        image.png​​
        Originally posted by CWSmith
        Now overlay that with standard of living...
        Here you go​
        "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
        for nature cannot be fooled."

        Richard Feynman

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        • #5
          I don't see the relevance of the third map to the first 2.

          Sure there's a bit of blue around the South East, but there's also a lot of red. How is that a connection between slave areas and current black population residence?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lupussonic
            I don't see the relevance of the third map to the first 2.
            The blue areas in the South (voting Democratic in 2020) are in the areas with the greatest concentration of African-Americans, an arc running from coastal Virginia SW to central Alabama, and along the Mississippi river. These are also the areas that had the greatest percentage of slaves in 1860.

            Low income counties in the south follow that pattern, but also another one that could be described as Appalachian - poor whites in West Virginia, eastern Kentucky and west to southern Missouri, the folks in Hillbilly Elegy, and the staunchest Trump supporters.​
            "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
            for nature cannot be fooled."

            Richard Feynman

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            • #7
              Where are the current areas of concentrated cotton and tobacco production?

              Abolition opened up all those jobs to white people. Why aren't they more grateful?
              Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

              Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Osborne Russell
                Where are the current areas of concentrated cotton and tobacco production?
                Here you go:


                image.png​​

                And tobacco:

                image.png
                ​​​
                Last edited by Keith Wilson; 09-27-2023, 08:04 PM.
                "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                for nature cannot be fooled."

                Richard Feynman

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                • #9
                  Orrrrr.....

                  "Mapping the residue of our unresolved 'original sin'"???
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Keith Wilson
                    Here you go:




                    And tobacco:

                    image.png
                    ​​​
                    Your first map is a no show.
                    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                    • #11
                      Interesting maps. the one on standard of living is from 2017 - 5 years ago and pre-COVID. I suspect that one has changed a little, but maybe not that much.

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                      • #12
                        Today’s WaPo:

                        Mary Woods, high school English teacher.
                        “For the first time since she started teaching 14 years ago, she was scared to go back to school.

                        Six months earlier, two of Wood’s Advanced Placement English Language and Composition students had reported her to the school board for teaching about race. Wood had assigned her all-White class readings from Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “Between the World and Me,” a book that dissects what it means to be Black in America.”

                        The students wrote in emails that the book — and accompanying videos that Wood, 47, played about systemic racism — made them ashamed to be White, violating a South Carolina proviso that forbids teachers from making students “feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress” on account of their race.

                        Reading Coates’s book felt like “reading hate propaganda towards white people,” one student wrote.

                        At least two parents complained, too. Within days, school administrators ordered Wood to stop teaching the lesson. They placed a formal letter of reprimand in her file. It instructed her to keep teaching “without discussing this issue with your students.”

                        The article goes on to describe a school board meeting full of MAGAheads rife with indignation and demanding her firing.

                        Shes ‘s not sure she can place any trust in her students this year.
                        “Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles and see the world is moving" - Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jim Bow
                          Today’s WaPo:

                          Mary Woods, high school English teacher.
                          “For the first time since she started teaching 14 years ago, she was scared to go back to school.

                          Six months earlier, two of Wood’s Advanced Placement English Language and Composition students had reported her to the school board for teaching about race. Wood had assigned her all-White class readings from Ta-Nehisi Coates’s “Between the World and Me,” a book that dissects what it means to be Black in America.”

                          The students wrote in emails that the book — and accompanying videos that Wood, 47, played about systemic racism — made them ashamed to be White, violating a South Carolina proviso that forbids teachers from making students “feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress” on account of their race.

                          Reading Coates’s book felt like “reading hate propaganda towards white people,” one student wrote.

                          At least two parents complained, too. Within days, school administrators ordered Wood to stop teaching the lesson. They placed a formal letter of reprimand in her file. It instructed her to keep teaching “without discussing this issue with your students.”

                          The article goes on to describe a school board meeting full of MAGAheads rife with indignation and demanding her firing.

                          Shes ‘s not sure she can place any trust in her students this year.
                          What a pair of snowflakes those students must be.
                          On the trailing edge of technology.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by johnw

                            What a pair of snowflakes those students must be.
                            I wonder if the students have discovered a new super-power. Don’t like the teacher? Don’t like the “D” you just got? Just go on Facebook and tell folks you feel “uncomfortable and guilt ridden”. Get the teacher canned.
                            “Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles and see the world is moving" - Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                              Your first map is a no show.
                              Odd. It shows up for me both on the original post, and on your quote. Here's the link.

                              And the geographic income distribution hasn't changed much, if at all, since 2017. Here's a 2021 version, with a different color code.

                              "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                              for nature cannot be fooled."

                              Richard Feynman

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