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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
David G
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
Stop digging, Ted. Both judges were required to disclose gifts. One did follow the rules, one didn't. That's the difference.On the trailing edge of technology.
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
I actually work a lot with federal investigators and lawyers for the DOJ and Security and exchange commission. They have expressed to me what is proper and acceptable in their jobs. Trying to play it off discredits what is a serious ethical personal transgression and possible violation.
I happen to be very moral and ethical. I do what I can to always remain so. I should expect those who hold public office should do the same.
It was wrong for her, for Thomas and many other Supreme Court justices. We all know it is wrong. Just because it is disclosed does not makes it any better. Arguing it is a nothing reveals what ethical lines you can live with crossing, lies that suggest that it is nothing and personal graft from high positions many of you are willing to accept.Without friends none of this is possible.Comment
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
Originally Posted by Durnik 
there it is..
comparing (if even by implication) the disclosing of congratulatory flowers (that she decidedly deserved) and a special wardrobe for a one off occasion to the hiding of at this point millions of dollars in cash & gifts over decades that relate too closely to cases sat on/decisions made confirms someone indeed has no clue.
Little lies we like to tell the folks even if the truth is somewhat more significant.
Yes, I was listening dear.
Those pants must of shrunk in the dryer.
The woman was just a little pregnant.
Just the tip.
I only had one drink...
Was I speeding?
It was only a few classified documents.
I am saving a lot of money and time building the boat.
the operative phrase is bolded..
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
This whole thread is illustrative of America's casual acceptance of grift and barely sanitised bribery. It fits right in with "lobbying". Declaring gifts, woohoo, well done. Accepting and keeping them is problematic.
But apparently $6K is OK. What if it was $60K $6mil?
At what point, if at all, do you guys become uncomfortable with the idea of a judge accepting a "gift" so long as it's declared?
But the flowers.... Sure, they're a transient thing, but even those - put them on display on the receptionist desk.
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
Yes... and no.
YES, we need to have more rigorous, and enforcable, standards - for all branches of government. I volunteer for one organization that pushes that idea, and helped create another. 'Avoid even the appearance of impropriety' is one such standard. But as long as it's a reasonably stringent standard, fairly and stringently enforced, I'm good.
But, NO, that's not really what the the thread is about. The OP is comparing the ethical behavior of two justices. Behaviors that aren't really comparable. A false equivalence that muddies more than illuminates the discussion of ethics. All in pursuit of being cute/clever. A false equivalence that is one of the favorite tools of RWW demagogues everywhere.David G
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Why is this a judgment on the OP rather than on the facts of graft, politics and the purchase of access to power by billionaires.
David can down play this as much as he wants but it still stinks. Arguing that it is OP problem actually is a qualified deflection and reflects his own ambiguous moral and ethical compass that suits his more fluid character.Without friends none of this is possible.Comment
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
The Supreme Court needs more ethics rules. At present, they are allowed to accept gifts, but must disclose them.
They are also not required to recuse themselves when they have a conflict of interest. I'm much more worried about Kagan being well-paid by Penguin for a book she wrote and not recusing herself from cases involving the parent company of the publisher. This comes much closer to Thomas's behavior, although she did properly disclose the income.
Should Oprah Winfrey have business before the court, I would expect Jackson to recuse herself from the case, even though the court does not require her to, and Thomas has not recused himself from cases Harland Crow's companies have had before the court.
I appreciate your feelings about ethics. When I was a journalist, I wouldn't even let a source buy me a sandwich. However, you seem to be confused about what the rules are in the case of Jackson and Thomas, and who is violating those rules. If you think it's wrong for a judge to accept a bouquet of flowers, you are free to make the case. After all, I'm making the case that Justice Kagan has done something unethical, even though she didn't violate an actual rule. But claiming that someone who complied with the rules has done exactly the same thing as someone who violated the rules for decades to the tune of millions of dollars is just silly.On the trailing edge of technology.
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Won't solve my problems with EV. I've ridden in an X and a Model S. Even borrowed the X for a day. My friend, the owner of both, says he'll never buy another ICE vehicle again. But his useage is substantially different than mine. But come on up. I'll buy you a beer!David G
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Re: Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice accepted gifts from billionaire and busi
I can see that John and could see that if it was only flowers - fine. It was not; there was a concerted effort with 6500 of fine clothes with a valuable promotion of celebrity with a hard press which was worth 100s of thousands. Oprah knew what she was doing as she is the queen of all media besides being a billionaire. Good PR marketing is tangible and very expensive. I am quite sure Oprah and many rich democrats are paying big bucks for her PR support in her defense. Jackson I am sure will not declare that as a gift either.
I will note a basic FDS floral arrangement is 39 dollars. A really nice one is 200. 1200 dollar flower buy is enough for good large wedding or a proper funeral.Without friends none of this is possible.Comment
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