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  • Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    To End America’s Gun Violence Crisis

    Principles of proposed 28th Amendment broadly supported by the American public and gun owners SACRAMENTO – Today Governor Gavin Newsom proposed a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to…


    Yea it's a moonshot, but good for him for trying.
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    Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

    Odds of it passing are in the powerball jackpot range, but still a good idea.
    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
    for nature cannot be fooled."

    Richard Feynman

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      Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

      Originally posted by Keith Wilson
      Odds of it passing are in the powerball jackpot range, but still a good idea.
      I agree, but wonder if the odds are that good...
      "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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      • #4
        Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

        Posturing for a primary challenge?

        Seems like a very reasonable proposal at any rate.

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          Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

          We are unlikely to have a Constitutional Convention so the proposal is good propaganda but realistically moot, which is good as the right wing crazies would try to take over and push their totalitarian and racist agendae.

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            Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

            Grandstanding. Touting his anti-gun cred with a proposal that has no chance of going anywhere.

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            • #7
              Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

              Originally posted by Keith Wilson
              Odds of it passing are in the powerball jackpot range, but still a good idea.
              Agreed but it would force the states that put "the love of guns" above "the love of their children" on the public record and as we have seen when overtly racist, homophobic or misogynistic laws are passed there are real world business consequences.

              To say nothing of the perception that certain states are inherently dangerous given their lax attitude towards guns and their relentless support of the 2nd without any limitations whatsoever. When foreign governments such as France, the UK, OZ, Canada, NZ issue travel advisories towards the US based on gun issues, states that oppose this ratification are going to start feeling it at the cash register.
              "Unrepentant Reprobate"
              Lew Barrett


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              • #8
                Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                It was impossible to enact an amendment abolishing slavery, until it wasn't. People said, and still say, Lincoln held it up. Other people said, I used to think that, but now I see that I was wrong; it might well not have happened at all, and he was the architect.
                Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

                Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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                  Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                  Originally posted by Ian McColgin
                  We are unlikely to have a Constitutional Convention so the proposal is good propaganda but realistically moot, which is good as the right wing crazies would try to take over and push their totalitarian and racist agendae.
                  Article V:

                  The Congress..., on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which...shall be valid...as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress...
                  We're closer to an Article V constitutional convention than you might think. Nothing in Article V requires that resolutions calling for an Article V convention be related, either in time or subject matter. And the states in red in the map below, 28 of the 34 (2/3) required by Article V, have each passed, over the years, one or more such resolutions calling for an Article V convention to amend the constitution.

                  As Common Cause has pointed out, it would almost certainly be a bad idea. Multiple constitutional scholars have observed that Congress would not able to impose limits upon such a convention, based on [an admittedly small] precedent, when the last (and only such) convention simply chucked the Articles of Confederation wholesale and replaced it with our current Constitution. And such a convention, certainly now, would almost certainly would be largely comprised of right-wing zealot idealogues rather than wise, educated, and dispassionate persons.

                  What ever changes such a convention proposed would, of course, have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That's one large hurdle that the nutters would have to get past to turn us into a theocracy.

                  Common Cause is fighting to stop special interest groups from calling an Article V Convention to radically reshape the U.S. Constitution.


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                  Last edited by Nicholas Carey; 06-08-2023, 02:26 PM.
                  You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                    Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                    Even Anthony Scalia and Warren Burger found common ground on the inadvisability of an Article V convention.

                    In the coming months, a number of states are likely to consider resolutions that call for a convention to propose amendments to the U.S. Constitution to require a balanced federal budget, and...


                    A number of prominent jurists and legal scholars have warned that a constitutional convention could open up the Constitution to radical and harmful changes. For instance, the late Justice Antonin Scalia said in 2014, “I certainly would not want a constitutional convention. Whoa! Who knows what would come out of it?”

                    Similarly, former Chief Justice of the United States Warren Burger wrote in 1988:

                    There is no way to effectively limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The Convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the Convention to one amendment or one issue, but there is no way to assure that the Convention would obey. After a Convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the Convention if we don’t like its agenda.
                    Such serious concerns are justified, for several reasons:
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                    You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                      Now is the time for all right-thinking USAans to start a social media and letter writing campaign to fill their representatives in trays with demands to support his initiative.
                      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

                      The power of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web
                      The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                        Originally posted by Nicholas Carey
                        Even Anthony Scalia and Warren Burger found common ground on the inadvisability of an Article V convention.
                        Newsome

                        1. Has an answer to their concerns

                        2. Doesn't, because

                        a. Doesn't know
                        b. Doesn't care

                        3. Has some particular reason for wanting a convention
                        Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

                        Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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                        • #13
                          Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                          A Constitutional Convention has the potential to cause all sorts of mischief. Imagine horse trading an antiabortion amendment for abolishing the Second Amendment, or some budget ceiling foolishness.

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                            Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                            Originally posted by TerryLL
                            Grandstanding. Touting his anti-gun cred with a proposal that has no chance of going anywhere.
                            Seems to me NO proposal has a chance of going anywhere, so one might as well shoot for the moon.
                            "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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                              Re: Governor Newsom Proposes Historic 28th Amendment to the United States Constitutio

                              Originally posted by John Smith
                              Seems to me NO proposal has a chance of going anywhere, so one might as well shoot for the moon.
                              Right you are. It is so much easier proposing an impossible and unworkable fix, rather than actually putting in any kind of real effort to make even a small change. That's our man Newsom, shooting for the moon, with no idea where the rocket might end up. Progressive leadership at its best.

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