Have you experienced senseless gun violence in your neighborhood.

[Dikhaut]

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Reminds me of last years senseless shooting in my neighborhood.

I wonder how many of our very own sub culture of the WBF have been affected by gun violence.

We already have laws against shooting people. Why should we think the people who disobey these laws would obey laws attempting to limit their access to guns?


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[Kevin T]

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We already have laws against shooting people. Why should we think the people who disobey these laws would obey laws attempting to limit their access to guns?


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Well I can imagine that if gun ownership came with a requirement of liability insurance and proof of valid insurance was necessary to purchase the gun itself and all subsequent ammunition similar to the insurance laws required of automobiles, that might make a difference.

If all guns via registration numbers had an absolute return address via registration numbers in non-alterable locations. If said gun was used by someone other than the registered owner in any type of harmful activity, the owners themselves would also face the same consequences as if they pulled the trigger themselves. This would likely go a long way in eliminating parking lot or internet sales to individuals unknown to that gun owner.

That might make a difference. It won't eliminate all destruction, but it ought to put a dent in the numbers. Certainly would eliminate a lot of cavalier and careless gun ownership if there were real, absolute penalties and loss of freedoms. No plea bargaining, don't collect two hundred dollars, GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL. And jail term should be significant, 1st offense 10 years, second offense you don't get out until they put you in the ground.

[LeeG]

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We already have laws against shooting people. Why should we think the people who disobey these laws would obey laws attempting to limit their access to guns?


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At one time there were permissible levels of lead contamination from leaded gasoline but when the amount of lead in people was deemed unacceptable as vehicle use proliferated the lead was eliminated.
That’s where we are with firearms as the number of firearms per capita has increased the consequences are becoming unacceptable so the number of firearms needs to go down.
Remember when anti drunk driving campaigns started? Sure there were laws against drunk driving but it took a lot of parents to pressure gov’t to enforce and improve laws. Too many guns is a public health hazard.

[SaltyD from BC]

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We already have laws against shooting people. Why should we think the people who disobey these laws would obey laws attempting to limit their access to guns?


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Absolutely true. Hand guns are highly restricted up here in Canada yet daily organized crime types are shooting each other all the time. These people have no intention on following any laws.

BUT, right now a 19 year old kid that lives on the internet's dark corners and fantasizes about being the next big shooter can go down the street buy an AR and get after it. The guy that hates his job and fellow employees and struggles with mental health issues can go buy an AR today. That's a problem IMHO.

[Jfitzger]

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Ten years ago I had a couple of people in cars in front of my house start shooting at each other. A 9mm went through my living room wall and lodge itself in the wall of my office. I was drafting on my computer on the others side of that wall. My living room had a very thin layer of plaster dust evenly spread everywhere. I don't know the motivations of the shooters so I can't speak to whether the violence was senseless or not. No one was harmed.

A couple of weeks ago I heard gun fire and I glanced out my window. I saw the muzzle flashes from about six shots from the porch across the street. I called the police and ten minutes later they did a slow drive by with a spot light. Lazy bastards didn't even get out of the car.

In college I lived in a rough part of St. Louis during the height of the early 90's crack epidemic. About 20 people were sitting on and around the stoop across the street drinking 40s, as one does. I guy walks up and from the middle of the street empties a clip trying to hit his girlfriend who was sitting on the top step. He got tackled and taken away. Luckily he didn't hit anyone.

[lupussonic]

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The guy that hates his job and fellow employees and struggles with mental health issues can go buy an AR today.

Lots of people hate their job, some also have no friends and some of those have propensity for mental health issues. My question would be about the culture that makes buying an AR the solution, the clear way out. Did it follow from the USA's fear culture or did it create it?

Sorry, but I'm so tired of hearing about sad ostracized loners shooting up schools and churches in your country that I have almost become immune to empathy or caring, and now have the idea that a handful of dead kids and grandmas is the tax you lot pay for the endorphin rush of self protection, and as such you should just stop pretending you care and accept it as normal.

Sure I heard gunshots over St Marys (Southampton), Easton (Bristol) and Kilburn (N. London) now and then.. some posse or gang stuff is always bubbling away but I don't generally expect anyone to be packing in a supermarket, pub, bowling alley, church, or FREAKING SCHOOL!!! in the EU.. that would be completely exceptional in all countries...... except the US.

The blunt instrument of the law will solve nothing, but examine the culture (which I am not qualified to do, but claim the key lies therein) and this can be brought under control perhaps.

[rbgarr]

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Yes, March 19th this year, down the street: https://www.boothbayregister.com/art...hooting/171975

[Dikhaut]

Absolutely true. Hand guns are highly restricted up here in Canada yet daily organized crime types are shooting each other all the time. These people have no intention on following any laws.

BUT, right now a 19 year old kid that lives on the internet's dark corners and fantasizes about being the next big shooter can go down the street buy an AR and get after it. The guy that hates his job and fellow employees and struggles with mental health issues can go buy an AR today. That's a problem IMHO.

They could also buy some fertilizer and kerosene or whatever and make a bomb.


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[Todd D]

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A man drove down my road last week, parked across the street from my house and went into the woods. He had a pistol in a holster. National Park Ranger/police. I don't know why they need to carry guns.

[Art Haberland]

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Have I experienced gun violence? Yes, just not anywhere near my home.

[Garret]

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At my old place I'd see a half dozen cars congregate early in the morning, check their guns, then go out & pursue their quarry for hours. Of course this happened every year for a couple of weeks in the fall & they were mostly wearing orange.

[Kevin T]

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Why do they carry guns?

Because everyone they encounter potentially could be armed and potentially up to no good, and the last thing you want, when operating under the color of law and encountering a potential miscreant is to have nothing more than your "Johnny Butch" in your hand. That would be my guess.

[brad9798]

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We do senseless things with guns ... but I'm rural for the last several years! And we do have fun with them.

[rbgarr]

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@39
Why do they carry guns?

Because everyone they encounter potentially could be armed and potentially up to no good, and the last thing you want, when operating under the color of law and encountering a potential miscreant is to have nothing more than your "Johnny Butch" in your hand. That would be my guess.

Our local harbor master declined to sign a new contract when the town wouldn't allow him to carry a weapon on the job. He'd had run-ins with threatening commercial fishermen when during the annual town meeting a vote passed to reorient the layout of the mooring field. The wait list for a mooring is so long that the need to to fit more boats in the harbor rationally is what needs to be done, i.e., more smaller boats inshore, larger ones further out. People who'd had a particularly convenient inshore mooring locations for generations "got up in arms" about keeping them. Some literally.

[Tom Montgomery]

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While living in Louisville a gun killing occurred just two blocks from my apartment.

One Saturday a young man and his newlywed wife had been visiting his parents who lived in the neighborhood. As they were walking home after nightfall three youths attempted to rob them as they stood in front of their apartment building. The young man stood his ground and pulled out his concealed handgun. He fired and missed. One of the youths fired in return and shot him dead as he stood next to his bride.

That seemed pretty senseless to me.