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  • So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

    New evidence on a muddy beach pushes the dates further back.
    Earliest human footprints outside Africa found – in Norfolk


    February 7, 2014
    2 mins read


    These footprint hollows, shown in situ on the beach at Happisburgh, Norfolk, are the oldest human footprints known from outside Africa.
    Photo: Martin Bates Archaeologists have found the earliest human footprints known outside Africa, at Happisburgh on the Norfolk coast.
    Dating back 800,000 years, the prints are thought to have been made by five individuals, including both adults and children.
    They were identified by a team of scientists led by the British Museum, Natural History Museum, and Queen Mary University of London, after heavy seas removed beach sands to reveal a series of hollows in the silt at low tide.
    Analysis of digital images of these hollows confirmed that they were ancient human footprints, direct evidence of the earliest known humans in northern Europe. In some cases the prints were so clear that the heel, arch, and even toes could be identified.
    ‘At first we weren’t sure what we were seeing, but as we sponged off the seawater, it was clear that the hollows resembled prints, perhaps human footprints, and that we needed to record the surface as quickly as possible before the sea eroded it away.’
    Vertical image of Area A at Happisburgh with model of footprint surface produced from photogrammetric survey with enlarged photo of footprint 8 showing toe impressions.
    © Happisburgh Project He added: ‘This is an extraordinarily rare discovery. The Happisburgh site continues to re-write our understanding of the early human occupation of Britain, and indeed, of Europe.’
    The Happisburgh footprints are among the oldest found in the world to-date; only those at Laetoli in Tanzania (c.3.5 million years old) and at Koobi Fora in Tanzania (c.1.5 million years old) are earlier.
    https://archaeology.co.uk/articles/n...in-norfolk.htm
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      Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

      If I look out of the window, I can see the light house at Happisburgh...

      It's not a case of when they left Africa, there is increasing evidence that there were several waves of our ancestors who left at different times, some interbreeding some supplanting previous waves. Home sapiens are a cross breed of several different varieties of Man..
      Just an amateur bodging away..

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        Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

        Originally posted by The Q
        If I look out of the window, I can see the light house at Happisburgh...

        It's not a case of when they left Africa, there is increasing evidence that there were several waves of our ancestors who left at different times, some interbreeding some supplanting previous waves. Home sapiens are a cross breed of several different varieties of Man..
        Just so.
        Everyone bangs on about Hom Sap and Neanderthal, or Denisovans to the east, but this lot were the first in North Europe. Wiki quotes 700,000 years ago, this is dated to 800,000 years. Hom Sap arrived in Europe about 42,000 years ago.
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          I think knowing there was an inexhaustible supply of fresh and frozen drinking water if they just walked North, would surely have been quite a pull. Where there's water you get everything else. Plus the coastline for fishing: I think at the end of number 3 arrow, would have been the choice, for water, sediment rich farming and coastal fishing and movement

          Those prints were probably lake side (watering hole) living as the ice ages came and went...many times. Maybe they came by boat up that river as far as the lake and didn't walk it! " Take the river before the glaciers..."


          Last edited by Edward Pearson; 06-05-2023, 12:04 PM.

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            I hope the Daily Mail doesn't pick up on this.

            We'll all end up in Rwanda

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              Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

              Originally posted by Edward Pearson

              Those prints in Norfolk were probably lake side (watering hole) living as the ice ages came and went...many times.

              They were on the shore of the estuary of the River Thames, some 15 miles from the sea. It is all in a link in the piece that I C&Ped. https://archaeology.co.uk/articles/f...uman-story.htm
              Found under glacial deposits.
              Later colonists came via Doggerland.
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                Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

                Are we discussing homo sapien sapiens or another species of humans? Pre ice age, Ice age or post ice age?

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                  Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

                  Originally posted by Ted Hoppe
                  Are we discussing homo sapien sapiens or another species of humans? Pre ice age, Ice age or post ice age?

                  Ones with dogs or ones without dogs?
                  Homo heidelbergensis between glaciation advance and retreat.
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                    Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

                    Originally posted by Ted Hoppe
                    Are we discussing homo sapien sapiens or another species of humans? Pre ice age, Ice age or post ice age?

                    Ones with dogs or ones without dogs?
                    Pre about 8 ice ages?

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                      Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

                      Fascinating stuff!
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                        Re: So, when did Humans migrate out of Africa.

                        700,000 years ago (assuming that's accurate) they wouldn't have been much like us, despite the similar footprints.
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                          The humanoid migration out of Africa is a fascinating subject, every new find makes the story even more complex.

                          The sad part is that in the present time we prefer to keep our African fellow men out of our countries.

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                            Originally posted by dutchpp
                            The humanoid migration out of Africa is a fascinating subject, every new find makes the story even more complex.

                            The sad part is that in the present time we prefer to keep our African fellow men out of our countries.
                            care to guess how many times that has happened in the last 700,000 years. Indications that the African humanoids were quite successful in outcompeting and likely killing most if not all European older humanoid hybrid species.
                            Without friends none of this is possible.

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