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    Military fighter jets intercepted an unresponsive plane that flew over Washington, D.C., before the plane crashed in mountainous southwest Virginia on Sunday afternoon, officials said. The supersonic speeds of the responding fighter jets produced a loud boom heard over the nation's capital region.
    The Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the incident.
    A Cessna Citation aircraft, a business jet, departed from Elizabethton, Tenn., and was bound for Long Island MacArthur Airport in New York, the FAA said. But instead of landing, the plane turned around over Long Island and flew a straight path over D.C.
    NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) F-16 jets intercepted the Cessna plane around 3:20 p.m., NORAD said in a statement. The pilot was found unresponsive, NORAD said, and the military aircraft tried to make contact with the Cessna pilot until the plane crashed near the George Washington National Forest in Virginia.
    "The NORAD aircraft were authorized to travel at supersonic speeds and a sonic boom may have been heard by residents in the region," NORAD said.


    Before crashing in Virginia, the plane flew over D.C. at an altitude of 34,000 feet, according to tracking data from FlightAware.
    As it flew over the nation's capital region, the Capitol Complex was briefly placed on an elevated alert until the airplane left the area, a Capitol police spokesperson said in a statement.
    Virginia State Police said in a statement that it was notified of a possible aircraft crash at 3:50 p.m. in the Staunton/Blue Ridge Parkway region.
    "Search efforts are still underway by state and local law enforcement," a state police spokesperson said in an email Sunday evening. "Nothing has been located at this time."
    The NTSB will lead the investigation and provide future updates, the FAA said. NPR has reached out to the NTSB for more information.
    NPR's Joe Hernandez and Russell Lewis contributed to this report.
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    Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

    We heard a sonic boom by Annapolis this afternoon at maybe 3PM?
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      Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

      Was the plane on autopilot and the pilot unconscious or disabled in some way? We may never know that.
      A plane with 6 on board flew across a big slice od Australia before crashing a few years ago. All on board were unconscious because of oxygen depravation it was thought.

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      • #4
        Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

        In the Payne Stewart tragedy, the private jet had a cabin pressure compresser fail. The pilots started to read the emergency checklist instead of immediately putting on oxygen. They died at 35000 feet on autopilot. The plane flew itself from Florida to South Dakota before crashing.
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          Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

          The owner of the plane is a huge Trump donor, and his wife is an NRA exec.
          Their daughter, 2-year old granddaughter, a nanny and the pilot were on board.
          No survivors. Tragic. Probably a problem with pressurization.
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            Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

            Payne's Plane was flying in a straight line and just continued flying on autopilot with all passengers allegedly unconscious due to oxygen deprivation. The crash, if I'm recalling correctly, was that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and fell from the sky.

            This recent incident had the flight path from TN to Long Island NY, however upon arrival into LI airspace the plane made a 180 degree turn and head back in the direction from whence it came.

            The questions I have are; does autopilot have the capability of making that kind of turn and returning in the direction back to the area of flight origination? And, wouldn't a pilot set autopilot to bring them to the destination and then manually initiate the necessary turns and maneuvers for flight approach and landing?

            It's the 180 degree turn that seems strange.
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            • #7
              Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

              Perhaps that turn was made in preparation for landing, and then whatever happened, happened.
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              • #8
                Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                See also:

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                • #9
                  Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                  Originally posted by Kevin T
                  Payne's Plane was flying in a straight line and just continued flying on autopilot with all passengers allegedly unconscious due to oxygen deprivation. The crash, if I'm recalling correctly, was that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and fell from the sky.

                  This recent incident had the flight path from TN to Long Island NY, however upon arrival into LI airspace the plane made a 180 degree turn and head back in the direction from whence it came.

                  The questions I have are; does autopilot have the capability of making that kind of turn and returning in the direction back to the area of flight origination? And, wouldn't a pilot set autopilot to bring them to the destination and then manually initiate the necessary turns and maneuvers for flight approach and landing?

                  It's the 180 degree turn that seems strange.
                  I think the Payne Stewart crash was flying a heading when they lost consciousness. It might have even been a more primitive jet without RNAV.

                  most likely this plane was flying a flight plan that was in the flight management system. The route was linked up all the way from enroute to arrival to instrument approach to runway 24. With no pilot, it flew this at cruise altitude. It followed that route and when it got to the threshold of runway 24 it just went straight soufwest.

                  the pilot probably built this route on the ground and it contained no discontinuities. This is often contradictory to printed procedures which often instruct you to fly to a specific point and then a heading for vectors, but then again, the pilot wasn’t expecting to pass out. Air traffic control, especially around NY, always modifies the route but if you’re unconscious this is what will happen.
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                  • #10
                    Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                    I don’t think it’s necessary to discuss the politics of a grieving family that just lost a daughter and grandchild.
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                    • #11
                      Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                      It's right here in my county. Here are local news reports:



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                        was ignorant of the commonest
                        accomplishments of youth.
                        He could not even lie."

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                        • #13
                          Single pilot flying a Citation V. Maybe it wasn’t a pressurization issue. Coulda had a heart attack or stroke.

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                          • #14
                            Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                            The other thing that is curious about this tragedy.

                            News reports in both print and broadcast list the flight's origination as from Tennessee and that is the flight path they've shown on the television. Other reports has the father stating that the daughter was returning home to the Hamptons from visiting him in North Carolina.

                            The displayed flight path in the broadcast versions of the story does not show anything over NC.
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                            • #15
                              Re: F-16s oner DC. Reminiscent of the Payne Stewart tragedy.

                              Originally posted by Kevin T
                              The other thing that is curious about this tragedy.

                              News reports in both print and broadcast list the flight's origination as from Tennessee and that is the flight path they've shown on the television. Other reports has the father stating that the daughter was returning home to the Hamptons from visiting him in North Carolina.

                              The displayed flight path in the broadcast versions of the story does not show anything over NC.
                              The pilot and his family were visiting his father-in-law, a retired pilot who ran a small aircraft charter operation, based in Florida. The pilot and his family were flying one of his dad's planes, a Cessna Citation business jet, back to Long Island. They had departed Elizabethton, Tennessee and were en route to MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma, Long Island. Elizabethton is right near the North Carolina border (30 miles from Banner Elk, NC).

                              It may be that Elizabethton was the nearest jet-capable airport to wherever it is that dad lived.

                              The pilot of the Cessna Citation, Jeff Heffner, was rated on B-737s and had a "top-level medical certificate" (I assume that means he was healthy). He flew for Southwest Airlines for 25 years and had logged more than 25,000 hours:

                              John Rumpel, who owned the Cessna Citation that crashed in Virginia, described his last moments with his family members.
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