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    Lawyers Unable to Find Document Trump Discussed in Recorded Conversation

    Prosecutors issued a subpoena for a description of military options for Iran mentioned by the former president during an interview. But Mr. Trump’s legal team said they could find no such document.

    By Alan Feuer and Maggie Haberman
    June 2, 2023

    Shortly after learning that former President Donald J. Trump had been recorded discussing what appeared to be classified material describing military options for confronting Iran, federal prosecutors issued a subpoena to his lawyers seeking the return of all records that resembled the document he mentioned, two people familiar with the matter said on Friday.

    But Mr. Trump’s legal team has informed the Justice Department that it was unable to find any such records in his possession, the people said. It is unclear whether prosecutors have been able to track down the document themselves, leaving open the possibility that the material remains at large or that the famously blustery Mr. Trump incorrectly described it on the recording.

    The subpoena, which was issued in March, sought any and all records pertaining to Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and to Iran, including maps or invasion plans, according to the people familiar with the matter. As part of their investigation, prosecutors have been asking witnesses whether Mr. Trump showed people a map he took with him when he left office that contains sensitive intelligence information.

    The subpoena, which was reported earlier by CNN, mentioned General Milley because Mr. Trump brought up the classified document at a meeting as a way to rebut what he perceived as criticism from Mr. Milley about military decisions concerning Iran. The meeting, which took place in July 2021 at Mr. Trump’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J., was between Mr. Trump and two people helping with a book being written by the final Trump White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows.

    A small number of aides to Mr. Trump also attended, including Margo Martin, who routinely sat in on and recorded book interviews granted by Mr. Trump, and Liz Harrington, the former president’s spokeswoman. The subpoena appears to have been prompted by testimony that Ms. Martin gave about the recording to a federal grand jury investigating the documents case, according to the people familiar with the matter. A similar subpoena for records related to the document on Iran was issued to at least one other person who was at the meeting at Bedminster.

    Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, denounced what he said were conclusions based on “fake leaks that were clearly partisan.”

    Throughout the investigation of Mr. Trump by the Justice Department and then by a special counsel, Jack Smith, prosecutors have expressed concern that Mr. Trump has failed to fully comply with efforts to retrieve all the classified material in his possession.

    A central part of their inquiry is whether the former president obstructed the government’s repeated attempts to get the material back — first through a subpoena that was issued last May and then through a search warrant executed in August at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s private club and residence in Florida. After the F.B.I. descended on Mar-a-Lago and discovered about 100 classified documents that were there in violation of the subpoena, Mr. Trump’s lawyers conducted their own search of the compound and of other properties connected to Mr. Trump. During those searches at the end of last year, the lawyers discovered at two least more documents bearing classification markings.

    Before all of these searches were conducted, Mr. Trump handed over two separate batches of classified material to the government. One batch was given to the National Archives in January 2022. The other was given to a federal prosecutors who visited Mar-a-Lago in June 2022, seeking to collect everything they could in response to the subpoena they had issued the month before.

    In the batch that went to the archives, there was one document concerning military options for Iran, according to one of the people familiar with the matter. But it remained unclear whether that document was the same one that Mr. Trump had mentioned in the recording.

    Even if the government is never able to find the document Mr. Trump discussed, his statements on the recording could prove damaging to him as Mr. Smith’s team moves toward concluding its investigation and turns to the question of whether to file charges. On the recording, Mr. Trump signaled his awareness of his inability to declassify the document because he had already left office, according to people familiar with the tape.

    If that description proves correct, it would undercut one of the key defenses that Mr. Trump’s advisers have offered in their effort to justify why he was allowed to hold onto some of the government’s most sensitive secrets after leaving the White House. They have argued that Mr. Trump, while still in office, had declassified all the material he took with him when he left.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/u...e=articleShare

  • #2
    Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

    My money is on 'Trump incorrectly described it.'
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    • #3
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      I'm no fan of Mr. Trump, but it seems that his detractors consider him a near pathological liar, except when he says something legally, or morally damning about himself.

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      • #4
        Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

        Originally posted by gypsie
        My money is on 'Trump incorrectly described it.'
        Certainly the only defense available on this is that he was lying, that he didn't have the document or even that it didn't exist. He's certainly worked long and hard to establish a reputation as a liar.

        I'm guessing if we see that document again, it will be among his effects after he passes on. Producing it now would undermine the defense that he lied about having it.
        On the trailing edge of technology.

        https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-John-L.../dp/B07LC6Y934

        http://www.scribd.com/johnmwatkins/documents

        http://booksellersvsbestsellers.blogspot.com/

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        • #5
          Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

          Pretty sad when your only defense is that you're a pathological liar.

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          • #6
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            Meanwhile, Pence will not be prosecuted for having classified material at his home. It was an accident...
            "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

            "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

            "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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            • #7
              Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

              I suppose Allied nations are recalibrating the extent to which they share intel with the USA.......

              Trump’s Lawyers Unable to Find Document He Discussed in Recording - The New York Times
              Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

              If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

              "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
              Bruce Cockburn

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              • #8
                Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                Originally posted by gypsie
                My money is on 'Trump incorrectly described it.'
                Nobody can describe things like Donald. He knows the best descriptions. It’s on a clay tablet in Mesopotamia somewhere. Caeser said it. “Donald knows things”

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                • #9
                  Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                  Originally posted by Hallam
                  I suppose Allied nations are recalibrating the extent to which they share intel with the USA.......

                  Trump’s Lawyers Unable to Find Document He Discussed in Recording - The New York Times
                  Recalibrating since 2002 but TFG took it to a new level. Putin’s poodle.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                    Originally posted by David W Pratt
                    I'm no fan of Mr. Trump, but it seems that his detractors consider him a near pathological liar, except when he says something legally, or morally damning about himself.
                    It’s not either/or. He is a gas lighter, a fabulist, a crook, a conman, a liar AND he does damn himself regularly in actions and words.
                    I suppose you are both not a fan nor a detractor?

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                      Not true. No dog would permit his or herself to be called "Trump's dog".

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                        He might very well have made it up entirely.
                        "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                        for nature cannot be fooled."

                        Richard Feynman

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                          I'm with Keith in post # 12 - you folks recall the times that he would stack reams of blank papers on a table to show how much work he had done / restrictive regulations he eliminated ? ? ?
                          Charter Member - - Professional Procrastinators Association of America - - putting things off since 1965 " I'll get around to it tomorrow, .... maybe "

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                            I forget.. did that nat guard fellow in MA get to have his own lawyers look for the documents?

                            #gitmothelotofthem

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Dog Ate My Classified Document!

                              Did none of the posters here read the part in the article where it suggests the "missing" document discussed by Trump may already be back at the National Archive?

                              Tom
                              Ponoszenie konsekwencji!

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