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[lupussonic]

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Offal is a last resort. Discuss.

[LeeG]

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woodchips take a long time to breakdown in compost even with offal providing fuel for the microbes.

[epoxyboy]

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See! Even microbes can't stomach the stuff.

[AndyG]

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Just to stir the pot a little...

That is a fabulous list as a basis to discussion.

For some, I say 'for sure'.
For some, I say, I need 'more info'.

For example:

Him: “There is no such thing as your truth as distinct from my truth. “There is just the truth, and that means evidence-based scientific truth.” Discuss.
Me: ...there are relativistic effects in which multiple, differing, viewpoints/truths are valid, depending on the viewer's velocity, and one viewer's truth cannot be "truer" than any others, as all viewpoints differ in spacetime.

Him: "If you are an adult human being with a penis and a Y-chromosome, you are a man. Discuss."
Me: "No. Brains, cultural sociology, and thereby 'gender identification' are above a mere biological genetic level."

Him: "Genetics today is a branch of information technology. Genetics in Darwin’s time was a branch of cookery. Discuss."
Me: "I have no idea what the second part means.

The rest is OK. Ish.

[George Jung]

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You may have gone off the rails with “ viewers velocity “.

[Peerie Maa]

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For Dawkins there is only the physical world. His methods cannot address anything else, so he decides nothing else exists. I would not call him a whole human being. In fact, the phrase "egocentric" comes to mind.

Dawkins et al are engaged in the task of why Hominids evolved a belief in the not natural. So your statement is incorrect.

[Peerie Maa]

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That is a fabulous list as a basis to discussion.

For some, I say 'for sure'.
For some, I say, I need 'more info'.

For example:

Him: “There is no such thing as your truth as distinct from my truth. “There is just the truth, and that means evidence-based scientific truth.” Discuss.
Me: ...there are relativistic effects in which multiple, differing, viewpoints/truths are valid, depending on the viewer's velocity, and one viewer's truth cannot be "truer" than any others, as all viewpoints differ in spacetime.

Him: "If you are an adult human being with a penis and a Y-chromosome, you are a man. Discuss."
Me: "No. Brains, cultural sociology, and thereby 'gender identification' are above a mere biological genetic level."

Him: "Genetics today is a branch of information technology. Genetics in Darwin’s time was a branch of cookery. Discuss."
Me: "I have no idea what the second part means.

The rest is OK. Ish.

Chemistry, as taught in schools, is a sort of cookery. Then, when scholars get to university, an entire new chemical world opens up.

[Peerie Maa]

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Well. Humility isn't an aspirational goal, it seems.

As to the truth is only known through evidence, perhaps. It can of course be *preserved* in traditions and practices. And if sufficient generations go by, and the original evidence forgotten, does that make the truth preserved in those traditions and practices less true?

If they are evidence based and falsifiable, the evidence cannot be lost/forgotten.

[Norman Bernstein]

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Dawkins has no particular appeal to me, but he comes close when he talks about the scientific method. I’d say that my own signature line summarizes my feelings about ‘truth’… and you’d never believe who wrote it.

[wizbang 13]

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He needs to put down his atari game and focus on the cure for MPB.

[Breakaway]

The truth and visual perception are not the same thing just as a dinghy and a freighter are not the same thing. It’s not complex.

Einstein might disagree. In fact, he, and other scientists. might go on to say that not only does the observers position affect appearance, but the position of the observer changes the reality.

Let us take a look at Keiths rebuke to TLTs assertion. Mr. Wilson brings his car to you, a mechanic, and you say he needs one clamp changed and will be ready by lunchtime.

Then, he brings it to me and my estimate is different. He needs the clamp changed, but also needs the hose changed. And, we might as well do the other side, since when one wears out, the other is often right behind. Leave the car. Ill need two days to get the parts.

Now, both of those scenarios are truth. Reality. Different because of different observers.

One truth doesnt necessarily negate another truth. Multiple truths are possible.

Kevin


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[Keith Wilson]

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Einstein might disagree. In fact, he, and other scientists. might go on to say that not only does the observer's position affect appearance, but the position of the observer changes the reality.

Let us take a look at Keiths rebuke to TLTs assertion. Mr. Wilson brings his car to you, a mechanic, and you say he needs one clamp changed and will be ready by lunchtime. Then, he brings it to me and my estimate is different. He needs the clamp changed, but also needs the hose changed. And, we might as well do the other side, since when one wears out, the other is often right behind. Leave the car. Ill need two days to get the parts. Now, both of those scenarios are truth. Reality. Different because of different observers.

One truth doesn't necessarily negate another truth. Multiple truths are possible.

I think you have to make a distinction between physical reality and human ideas about physical reality. (And for the sake of simplicity, I'm not going to get all cute and quantum-mechanical; let's stick with things on the scale of hose clamps.)

I have a problem with my car. The first mechanic thinks it needs one thing repaired, the second mechanic thinks it needs more things repaired. The car has not changed in the slightest. The arrangement of atoms in the hose clamps and the polymers of the hoses and the metal of the engine is exactly the same. What is different is the thoughts in the brains of the people, their perception of what exists, guesses about how likely it is to fail (i.e. predictions of the future), and judgements about the best course of action. That is not at all the same thing as saying that external reality is different. It's not; only our thoughts are. Not that thoughts aren't important; they are, and they certain affect our actions, - also, very likely our thoughts are part of physical reality; patterns of neurons firing inside our heads - but the car is still the same. And I sure as hell don't want a mechanic who doesn't believe in objective external reality.

[Peerie Maa]

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Offal is a last resort. Discuss.

If you kill an animal for food, do not dishonour it by wasting any of it.

[Durnik]

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woodchips take a long time to breakdown in compost even with offal providing fuel for the microbes.

Experience!

If you kill an animal for food, do not dishonour it by wasting any of it.

fed to the microbes in the compost is not waste.

now, if you want to eat the sinews etc.. 0-:



and I highly suspect the op's quotes are out of context..

still, it seems certain some are meant as rhetorical/hypothetical.

[Peerie Maa]

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Experience!



fed to the microbes in the compost is not waste.

now, if you want to eat the sinews etc.. 0-:

Do not put meat products into compost, it attracts rats.

Tan the hide for leather goods, make buttons from the horns and boil the hooves, waste horn, and other stuff for glue.