Non-apology

[Osborne Russell]

Skuthorp ,

There are lots of lawyers. You insult them all. Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, John Adams, Earl Warren, Thurgood Marshall.

Being a lawyer is a moral undertaking, so you aren't merely impugning their professional character.

Apparently it comes from events surrounding being mistreated by priests, the church, someone. I assume they had lawyers, and you feel that somehow these lawyers mistreated you. How?

Were these people not supposed to have lawyers? Were these lawyers not supposed to represent their clients? Did you have a lawyer? Were they not supposed to represent you?

Do you favor the rule of law? For real? How can it operate, without lawyers?

[George Jung]

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I’m only peripherally aware of your “conflict quote. Honestly, OR, this seems to be self-inflicted. I unclear why you were taking this so personally – your wife was never part of that conversation, and as indicated, there was no ill intent.


As someone previously pointed out, generally, when lawyers are involved, Life is not good. It’s stressful. And, many of us have been on “the wrong and “of a decision.


We come here. We vent. What is unclear to me, is why you chose in this hill to die on. It seems out of character.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

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If he should choose to die on a hill, the in the words of the song

"Ain't nobody's business but my own"

[Osborne Russell]

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I’m only peripherally aware of your “conflict quote. Honestly, OR, this seems to be self-inflicted. I unclear why you were taking this so personally – your wife was never part of that conversation, and as indicated, there was no ill intent.

He says lawyers are corrupt. My wife is a lawyer. That's personal. What does your wife do? He says all lawyers are corrupt. That's ignorant, gratuitous bigotry. That's ill intent.

As someone previously pointed out, generally, when lawyers are involved, Life is not good. It’s stressful. And, many of us have been on “the wrong and “of a decision.

Same with insurance agents, cops, school administrators, judges, the entire health care industry . . .

We come here. We vent. What is unclear to me, is why you chose in this hill to die on. It seems out of character.

I don't know why it's unclear or why you think it's out of character.

[Chip-skiff]

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I'm married to a law prof, who does pro bono work on biodiversity, public land law, tribal resource issues, and that sort of thing. She's about as far from corrupt as anyone on earth.

Then there are miserable slimebags like Trump's legal team, who lie and cheat on behalf of their lying, cheating, would-be dictator client.

He goes through lawyers like a baby goes through diapers.

[Paul Pless]

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He goes through lawyers like a baby goes through diapers.

if he would pay them maybe a few would stick around

[Johan R]

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That's ill intent.

And what is repeatedly stating "killing is necessary" ?

Does that mean all humans are total garbage, or just the ones who voice that opinion?

What a Karen you are.

[Jim Bow]

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I’ve often seen car stickers that say “Like your freedom? Thank a vet.”

More to the point would be, “Like your freedom? Thank the lawyers, laws, and court system.”

[Peerie Maa]

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I think that this is an attack thread that would have resulted in banned camp.
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OR, just walk away and let it drop.

[WX]

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Jeff publically apologised. This is a storm in a teacup.

[Mrleft88]

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Being a lawyer is for SOME a moral undertaking. For MANY it's a money making undertaking.
I know lots of lawyers. Some friends for over 60 years. Some aquaintances of nearly that long. Much like cops, and Drs people become what they choose for various reasons. Some people become cops because they want to help people, and stop crime. Some people become cops because they were bullies in school, and thats the only job that alows them to stay a bully.
Some people become Drs because they want to help people stay healthy, or fix health problems. Others become Drs because plastic surgery is incredibly lucrative, and takes only hours a week to earn millions of dollars.
Some people become lawyers because they want to right wrongs, or help people navigate what other lawyers have written. Others become lawyers because of the 33% fee they take on insurance cases.

[David G]

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My wife is a minister. Should I then be demanding apologies from all here who denigrate that field?

By OR's 'logic'... I suppose I should be compiling a list, eh?

[Mrleft88]

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Well..... You have people like your wife, Bobby O'Tulsa, and a few others who shall remain anonymous..... And then you have your Televangelists. Crefalo Dollar, Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Jim and Tammy Baker, etc.
There are people who w/o the ordination from a church do more good in this world, and have no need for a title, a building, or even a pulpit. Those are the ministers. I'm not saying preachers. Preachers talk. Ministers take care of people.

[David G]

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Well..... You have people like your wife, Bobby O'Tulsa, and a few others who shall remain anonymous..... And then you have your Televangelists. Crefalo Dollar, Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, Jim and Tammy Baker, etc.
There are people who w/o the ordination from a church do more good in this world, and have no need for a title, a building, or even a pulpit. Those are the ministers. I'm not saying preachers. Preachers talk. Ministers take care of people.

Yes... in religion there are certainly good, bad, and indifferent.

Just as there is in the legal field.

So... is yours a vote for compiling the list, or no? There are certainly people here who condemn everything relating to religion, with none of the nuance you suggest.

[LeeG]

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I feel left out