After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

[Joe (SoCal)]

This is a gripping documentary.

My take away is the police know that the rounds from an AR-15 will penetrate their bullet proof vests, yet they support 18 years being able to weapons that can kill them. Also they want to arm the teachers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8TSDbLr7_s&ab_channel=FRONTLINEPBS%7COfficial

[John Smith]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

I cannot wrap my head around one worrying about what books a child may read, but not giving a damn that the child may be shot and killed.

Then, too, I can't get my head around people passing all these laws to protect the fetus, but don't give a damn once the child is born.

[beernd]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

The video is unavailable to me, wich is a shame because I really would like to know what this is all about.

[Joe (SoCal)]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

The video is unavailable to me, wich is a shame because I really would like to know what this is all about.

Get a VPN

VPN stands for "Virtual Private Network" and describes the opportunity to establish a protected network connection when using public networks. VPNs encrypt your internet traffic and disguise your online identity.

It also tricks your internet to think you are in another country like the US.

[Tom from Rubicon]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

Watched it. It is inconceivable the delay.

Tom

[John Smith]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

Actually, we don't KNOW what would have happened had cops entered sooner. Possibly it would have led to more shooting and more dead.

The idea of arming teachers seems silly to me.

The right can't seem to wrap their heads around anything that would make it harder to get AR 15s and such.

Part of this, and some other pieces I've seen, says the AR 15 would penetrate the bullet proof vests worn by cops. We cannot know, only assume, what would have happened if the cops responded differently. Had they entered sooner and that resulted in more dead people, I suspect people would be arguing that they should have waited and tried to de-escalate the situation.

The bottom line, IMO, is the problem is that this kid was able to buy these two weapons.

[Bobby of Tulsa]

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Those cops stood there and let some of those kids bleed to death just to save their own worthless ass. I hope there is a place in hell for such cowards.

[John Smith]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

I see all of this as Monday morning quarterbacking. It's possible if the cops had gone in sooner, more kids would have been shot, no?

We know how this played out. We don't know how it would have played out if the cops handled it differently. That might have made it better, or it might have made it worse.

Then we'd be arguing they should have waited rather than rushed in.

The problem/fault here is this idiot had two AR 15 weapons. Addressing that is what we should be doing.

[Peerie Maa]

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From the Beeb.

How gun violence is reshaping American lives

• Published

• 14 hours ago

Image source, Mikaela Martin
Image caption, Lori Alhadeff's son Robbie (right) and friend (left) wear bulletproof backpacks

By Madeline Halpert & Brandon Drenon
BBC News

As gun violence increases and shootings seem to make headlines every few days, the fear of getting caught up in one is changing the lives of millions of Americans.
A shopping mall. A classroom. A teenager's house party.
All have suffered the scourge of a US mass shooting in recent weeks.
To many Americans, it feels like it could happen anywhere.
As National Gun Violence Awareness Day looms on Friday, how is this issue affecting the way people go about their lives?
Tough conversations
Around 60% of adults say they have talked to their kids or other relatives about gun safety, according to a survey by KFF, a non-profit organisation focused on health policy.
Some of these conversations are sparked by lockdown drills in US classrooms. In some cases, students as young as five are taught when to barricade doors and when to run for their lives if a gunman is prowling the corridors.
Recently, Morgan Hook's nine-year-old daughter Elise came home from school and took her family by surprise when she said the drills would not be much use if the gunman just shot down the door.


Mr Hook tried to reassure his daughter that wouldn't happen, but he thought back to a recent shooting at a private school in Nashville when the suspect did exactly that.
"Sometimes when you try to comfort your kids, that means you're lying to them," says Mr Hook, who lives in Saratoga County, New York.
It's useful for parents to have conversations with their children about gun violence, provided they do so calmly, says Vaile Wright, the senior director of health care innovation with the American Psychological Association.
Moving home
Gun violence in the US has at times caused some to uproot their lives. About 15% say they've moved to a different neighbourhood or city because of it, according to KFF.
Last year, 40-year-old Travis Wilson and his wife moved to a new neighbourhood in Louisville, Kentucky, after moving from Old Louisville where they counted the number of gunshots at night.

• The numbers behind the rise in US mass shootings
• She lost her son in a shooting. Then came another

A bullet once went through his neighbour's window. Another time someone pulled a gun on him in front of his house. After his daughter was born in 2021, he and his wife started re-evaluating.
"I couldn't imagine how any child could grow up in an area where they hear frequent shots and not be dramatically affected," he said.
But last month, the violence followed him to his new neighbourhood when a gunman killed five former co-workers at a local bank.
Mr Wilson said he sometimes feels irresponsible raising a child in America, where nowhere feels perfectly safe.
"I'll never forgive myself if [my daughter] is a victim of a shooting and I just waited around for her turn."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65686152

And the US is content with this?

[Brian Palmer]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

No, a lot of us are pissed as hell about it. This week in my county, 3 people were killed in a single shooting, including two 8 and 9 year old brothers, and 4 fourth person was wounded by a stray bullet.

[Peerie Maa]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

No, a lot of us are pissed as hell about it. This week in my county, 3 people were killed in a single shooting, including two 8 and 9 year old brothers, and 4 fourth person was wounded by a stray bullet.

Yep, however in the USA After all.jpg Nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

[Paul Pless]

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Nobody seems to be able to do anything about it.

tyranny of the minority - to make a play on de tocqueville

our constitution currently gives outsized power to a white rural voting block
without a revolution of sorts there is no going around that

[JayInOz]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

I see all of this as Monday morning quarterbacking. It's possible if the cops had gone in sooner, more kids would have been shot, no?

We know how this played out. We don't know how it would have played out if the cops handled it differently. That might have made it better, or it might have made it worse.

Then we'd be arguing they should have waited rather than rushed in.

The problem/fault here is this idiot had two AR 15 weapons. Addressing that is what we should be doing.

Years ago a friend of mine had a very basic, cheap thermal imager. He pointed it at his neighbours house and it showed four heat signatures. He thought it must be crap because only two people lived there. Turned out to be the two neighbours, their Labrador and their hot water tank. Now I know people who hunt with thermal gear costing twenty three grand. I'm guessing that the shooter would have been the only person upright in that room. An AR15 will also shoot through a normal wall. Probably a whole bunch of good reasons why it's a bad idea, but I thought at the time that with modern gear at their disposal, the good guys should have been able to eliminate the shooter from outside the room. JayInOz

[John Smith]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

Years ago a friend of mine had a very basic, cheap thermal imager. He pointed it at his neighbours house and it showed four heat signatures. He thought it must be crap because only two people lived there. Turned out to be the two neighbours, their Labrador and their hot water tank. Now I know people who hunt with thermal gear costing twenty three grand. I'm guessing that the shooter would have been the only person upright in that room. An AR15 will also shoot through a normal wall. Probably a whole bunch of good reasons why it's a bad idea, but I thought at the time that with modern gear at their disposal, the good guys should have been able to eliminate the shooter from outside the room. JayInOz

"Guessing" is not good enough. Guessing wrong can make a bad situation worse.

A lot of 'maybes' here, and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking.

NRA keeps telling us, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." I'd like the NRA to be asked, "Supposed the bad guy had no gun?"

We cannot KNOW what would have happened if the police acted differently. It could have worked out better, or it could have been a lot worse.

This was not a tv show where the good guys always win the shootout with the bad guys in spite of the bad guys having better weapons.

What would the conversation be if the cops went in sooner and the situation got worse, and more kids, and cops, were killed?

The only honest answer is that we don't KNOW.

[Peerie Maa]

Re: After Uvalde: Guns, Grief & Texas Politics (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

tyranny of the minority - to make a play on de tocqueville

our constitution currently gives outsized power to a white rural voting block
without a revolution of sorts there is no going around that

A small white rural voting block managed to prohibit alcohol by campaigning.
OK, that did not go well, but it does prove what can be achieved if enough people get together and get their arses in gear.