911

[Canoeyawl]

A Man Called 9-1-1. The Police Shot Him While He Was Still on the Phone

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/nyregion/new-jersey-police-officer-manslaughter.html?unlocked_article_code=FcIv_arLVkQ7q-oL_GtEk3SCtzhaKwsIF1Gxwm91kwW4yJ33PiriIpeOdZPzDgzq_1lVh1Vns5oNsoC7iFj0BLIQ7X3zyhZlk4nuzDf2eiigD3dkqbV5T28Z7nJ0H7lF3SjTCAZMgzd_ClF5D9b48O7dB45Sns6PKNzZWOcDy-WU2Htie_yGwowrHURrkPNsZ2Stib03lzR8KC2JHx18pkTdyYDsBKFzZ1l4g74aL_1ewOw3kT6fmYQBNbrWF4hNKSbBXEVPEywbmhY029j9KfvD-g8g6i8myhpIbT43Hnh7YBb7Q39xTdgImPohbUHlRm_fVtBBgZ4pT1TcLWOmhWxTrRCR047dbZhT6ZUHPrJT&smid=url-share

[LeeG]

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I’d like some more uplifting random news por favor.

[Ian McColgin]

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''Uplifting'' ?? Like set our sights higher for the longer range?

[Peerie Maa]

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I’d like some more uplifting random news por favor.

Try standing on a chair when you read it.

[LeeG]

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jeez guys don’t these random news bytes of gun deaths get to you?

[Peerie Maa]

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jeez guys don’t these random news bytes of gun deaths get to you?

Of course they do. That is why they are of value.

If USAeans understand that their gun culture results in their police officers going in fear of their lives every time they are sent to a report of an armed intruder, resulting in peace abiding citizens getting shot (remember that woman in her panamas who dialled 911 and was shot by one of the attending officers from inside the patrol car?) then they need to make it safer for the police to do their jobs by getting rid of hand guns.

[Mrleft88]

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Nick, hand guns are a small part of the problem. It's assault weapons, hand guns, poor police training, poor police recruiting/hiring practices, and over all a poor mentality when it comes to "lpolicing". Police used to be the friendly officer whom kids could walk up to to ask for help crossing the street, or getting home after they missed the school bus. Now police are dressed like the army men we see on the news every night, with flak jackets, helmets with night vision goggles, and M-16s.
No wonder kids run when they see a cop.
A few years ago I had broken my thigh in 3 places. When I finally got out of the hospital, and started to drive again, and trying to go in to stores to do a little shopping, I parked outside the Jiffy mart. I would have used the handicap spot, but there was a cop car there with a cop inside on his phone. So I hauled my sorry butt out of my truck, got my walker out of the back, and stumped my way towards the door. Just as I got to the door, the cop (Sheriff's deputy) breezed by me, went through the door letting in bang shut in my face. A nice person on their way out held the door for me. I went to the counter to pay for the items that I had called ahead for. The cop literally stepped in front of me, and put his coffee and donu on the counter, and took his wallet out. The counter lady said "You'll have to wait your turn sir!" The cop was confused. "This gentleman was in front of you. Not only that, but you nearly knocked him over on your way though the door." The cop turned and looked at me. "Sorry. I didn't notice you."
The counter lady took my money, then picked up my 12 pack of beer and walked the long way around the counter and held the door open for me while she put the beer in my truck, leaving the cop standing there.
Think of this.... The cop.... "To serve and protect" didn't even notice a 6'2" guy using a walker trying to get through a doorway, and then didn't notice that same 6'2" guy standing at the counter in front of him.
I thought cops were supposed to be hyper alert, and observant. This guy was only interested in his coffee and donut. (And it wasn't even a real donut, it was a prepackaged powdered thing from god knows where.
I still treat cops with respect, but I no longer let them cut in line in front of me at the Jiffy mart, and I sure as hell don't give them any door room if they park in the handicap spot. I'll pull right up next to that SUV so they have to wait until I come out to get in their armored vehicle.

[Jim Bow]

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It’s also the fact that police are taught to act as if every encounter is with an armed person.
Now, as a former 911 operator, I would have told that caller to stay inside his house until the officers called him to come out. Simply, don’t report a man-with-a- gun and then go outside with a gun.

[Peerie Maa]

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Nick, hand guns are a small part of the problem. It's assault weapons, hand guns, poor police training, poor police recruiting/hiring practices, and over all a poor mentality when it comes to "lpolicing". Police used to be the friendly officer whom kids could walk up to to ask for help crossing the street, or getting home after they missed the school bus. Now police are dressed like the army men we see on the news every night, with flak jackets, helmets with night vision goggles, and M-16s.
No wonder kids run when they see a cop.
A few years ago I had broken my thigh in 3 places. When I finally got out of the hospital, and started to drive again, and trying to go in to stores to do a little shopping, I parked outside the Jiffy mart. I would have used the handicap spot, but there was a cop car there with a cop inside on his phone. So I hauled my sorry butt out of my truck, got my walker out of the back, and stumped my way towards the door. Just as I got to the door, the cop (Sheriff's deputy) breezed by me, went through the door letting in bang shut in my face. A nice person on their way out held the door for me. I went to the counter to pay for the items that I had called ahead for. The cop literally stepped in front of me, and put his coffee and donu on the counter, and took his wallet out. The counter lady said "You'll have to wait your turn sir!" The cop was confused. "This gentleman was in front of you. Not only that, but you nearly knocked him over on your way though the door." The cop turned and looked at me. "Sorry. I didn't notice you."
The counter lady took my money, then picked up my 12 pack of beer and walked the long way around the counter and held the door open for me while she put the beer in my truck, leaving the cop standing there.
Think of this.... The cop.... "To serve and protect" didn't even notice a 6'2" guy using a walker trying to get through a doorway, and then didn't notice that same 6'2" guy standing at the counter in front of him.
I thought cops were supposed to be hyper alert, and observant. This guy was only interested in his coffee and donut. (And it wasn't even a real donut, it was a prepackaged powdered thing from god knows where.
I still treat cops with respect, but I no longer let them cut in line in front of me at the Jiffy mart, and I sure as hell don't give them any door room if they park in the handicap spot. I'll pull right up next to that SUV so they have to wait until I come out to get in their armored vehicle.

That is a serious issue in police culture.

But, and a big but, you have not described a murdered, only an aerosol with s sense of entitlement. Does that feeling of entitlement cause cops to shoot at anyone that reports an armed intruder?

[CWSmith]

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No wonder kids run when they see a cop.

No wonder African Americans are reluctant to call the cops and work with them, too.

[johnw]

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It’s also the fact that police are taught to act as if every encounter is with an armed person.
Now, as a former 911 operator, I would have told that caller to stay inside his house until the officers called him to come out. Simply, don’t report a man-with-a- gun and then go outside with a gun.

American cops operate in a state of terror. It's part of their training. It's part of our gun culture.

[skuthorp]

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So now you have a Hollywood version of the Wild West armed country to live in, and all those urban violence TV shows are the reality.

[John Smith]

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Nick, hand guns are a small part of the problem. It's assault weapons, hand guns, poor police training, poor police recruiting/hiring practices, and over all a poor mentality when it comes to "lpolicing". Police used to be the friendly officer whom kids could walk up to to ask for help crossing the street, or getting home after they missed the school bus. Now police are dressed like the army men we see on the news every night, with flak jackets, helmets with night vision goggles, and M-16s.
No wonder kids run when they see a cop.
A few years ago I had broken my thigh in 3 places. When I finally got out of the hospital, and started to drive again, and trying to go in to stores to do a little shopping, I parked outside the Jiffy mart. I would have used the handicap spot, but there was a cop car there with a cop inside on his phone. So I hauled my sorry butt out of my truck, got my walker out of the back, and stumped my way towards the door. Just as I got to the door, the cop (Sheriff's deputy) breezed by me, went through the door letting in bang shut in my face. A nice person on their way out held the door for me. I went to the counter to pay for the items that I had called ahead for. The cop literally stepped in front of me, and put his coffee and donu on the counter, and took his wallet out. The counter lady said "You'll have to wait your turn sir!" The cop was confused. "This gentleman was in front of you. Not only that, but you nearly knocked him over on your way though the door." The cop turned and looked at me. "Sorry. I didn't notice you."
The counter lady took my money, then picked up my 12 pack of beer and walked the long way around the counter and held the door open for me while she put the beer in my truck, leaving the cop standing there.
Think of this.... The cop.... "To serve and protect" didn't even notice a 6'2" guy using a walker trying to get through a doorway, and then didn't notice that same 6'2" guy standing at the counter in front of him.
I thought cops were supposed to be hyper alert, and observant. This guy was only interested in his coffee and donut. (And it wasn't even a real donut, it was a prepackaged powdered thing from god knows where.
I still treat cops with respect, but I no longer let them cut in line in front of me at the Jiffy mart, and I sure as hell don't give them any door room if they park in the handicap spot. I'll pull right up next to that SUV so they have to wait until I come out to get in their armored vehicle.

Any gun that's part of the problem is a part of the problem.

[leikec]

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So now you have a Hollywood version of the Wild West armed country to live in, and all those urban violence TV shows are the reality.

In the Wild West they had some degree of gun control. Things have gone downhill…

Jeff C

[Peerie Maa]

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So now you have a Hollywood version of the Wild West armed country to live in, and all those urban violence TV shows are the reality.

The Wild West is mostly a Hollywood B movie fiction. It really was not that wild, and "shoot-outs" were as likely to result in self-inflicted injuries as they were death.

The system that created the SCOTUS has so much to answer for.