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  • #1

    If Biden does not win in 2024

    Let's say that Trump's legal problems keep him out of the race and a
    GOP candidate wins.
    What will they do with Trump if he is convicted on Jack Smith federal charges?
    I would first jump to the conclusion that Trump would be given a full
    pardon.
    On second thought, I'm thinking that the new prez would want to get rid of
    Trump once and for all.
    A pardoned Trump will come back in 2028 and run again no matter how the incumbent is doing. I've not doubt about that. It would be in the incumbent's best interest to eliminate him from running by not pardoning him.
    By 2028, with Trump in prison, the MAGA movement will have moved on to the next shiny object and perhaps he will disappear from our lives.
    At least I can dream....

    I know he can't get a presidential pardon on the NY and Georgia state charges, but I don't have any faith in those prosecutions securing convictions.
    Can a Georgia GOP governor give full pardons?
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
    Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.
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    • #2
      Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

      Trump's not getting any younger.

      I'm optimistic for '24. Trump leaning candidates can win primaries, but I doubt many will win general elections.

      Trump has enough support to win primaries, but not the general.

      Two big issues will be guns and abortion. It's my view the GOP is on the wrong side of both.

      Of course, if they don't raise the debt ceiling, that may impact '24 election.
      "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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        • #3
          Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

          He could be in jail and still run. Eugene Debs did it.
          Gerard>
          Albuquerque, NM

          Next election, vote against EVERY Republican, for EVERY office, at EVERY level. Be patriotic, save the country.

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            • #4
              Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

              trump aint going to be indicted in the middle of an election cycle

              that would be doj tampering
              Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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                • #5
                  Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                  ^
                  That is Trump's hope which is why he declared himself as a candidate so early into the game.

                  I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised. I also predict the 21st century Republican Party is going to surprised by how thoroughly sick to death of Trump and MAGA is the majority of the American electorate.
                  "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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                    • #6
                      Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                      But do you think a 2024 GOP prez would pardon Trump or let him swing
                      in the breeze?
                      I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
                      Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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                        • #7
                          Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                          trump aint going to be indicted in the middle of an election cycle
                          again, and still, #gitmothelotofthem

                          and 'thelot' means just that.

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                            • #8
                              Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                              Originally posted by Rich Jones
                              But do you think a 2024 GOP prez would pardon Trump or let him swing
                              in the breeze?
                              No president wants to see another president swing, lest they be next. The worst that will happen is there won't be an aircraft carrier called the USS Trump.
                              There is no rational, logical, or physical description of how free will could exist. It therefore makes no sense to praise or condemn anyone on the grounds they are a free willed self that made one choice but could have chosen something else. There is no evidence that such a situation is possible in our Universe. Demonstrate otherwise and I will be thrilled.

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                                • #9
                                  Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                  Originally posted by Tom Montgomery
                                  ^
                                  That is Trump's hope which is why he declared himself as a candidate so early into the game.

                                  I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised. I also predict the 21st century Republican Party is going to surprised by how thoroughly sick to death of Trump and MAGA is the majority of the American electorate.

                                  I think you are thinking wishfully.

                                  The thing about Trump's shtick is that it resonates with something that is always, has always, been with us. It needs but the least encouragement to bubble up from just below the surface of civility. Everyone is not so afflicted. But, a big number of people will rally to his cry.

                                  Kevin
                                  There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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                                    • #10
                                      Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                      Everyone who will rally to trmp's call already has. The number is diminishing not growing. And it's not like he hasn't already pitched to them over and over. How many variations of trmp losing do we need to live through? What else can trmp offer that might swell the numbers for him?

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                                        • #11
                                          Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                          Originally posted by Jim Mahan
                                          Everyone who will rally to trmp's call already has. The number is diminishing not growing. And it's not like he hasn't already pitched to them over and over. How many variations of trmp losing do we need to live through? What else can trmp offer that might swell the numbers for him?
                                          The population is not comprised of critical thinkers, with long memories and who hold ethical behavior in any high regard. That being the case, these things you bring up, just wont matter.

                                          I hate to bring up polls, since polls proved to be less than reliable tools in the 2020 election. With that caveat, here are poll numbers compiled from several sources.

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                                          Kevin
                                          There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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                                            • #12
                                              Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                              Everyone old enough to vote and willing to show up to the polling place to cast theirs for president in the next election, has now had seven years, more or less, to see and hear trmp, his spiel. his schtick, his habitual lying, and his very public civil, and now criminal, litigation. If they're going to support trmp it isn't because they are just now hearing about him or deciding whether to vote for him or not. There might be a few who fell down a mine shaft and were in a coma between twenty-sixteen and now, but not enough to even come close to making a difference in the swing states, let alone swing a whole general election for president. There won't be any new trmp voters. There won't be any new trmp donors or sponsors. Just like it's beginning to look like no more lawyers and no more lenders interested in him either. tmrp's universe is getting smaller than he's used to. He's already fired all there are up as far as they'll ever go, and it wasn't nearly enough last time.

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                                                • #13
                                                  Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                                  if trump wins, you'll all be just fine.

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                                                    • #14
                                                      Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                                      People who should be smart enough to see through Trumps lies only see that he is the victim of terrible hoaxes, and lies.
                                                      He is the penultimate boy who cried wolf. But the towns people still haven't figured that out.
                                                      When he first started reciting his "favorite poem.... The Snake" I said, loudly, "OMG! He's talking about himself, and people don't see it!" No.... People said "Don't be silly! He's talking about Hillary!, or immigrants"....
                                                      People still don't see that he is the poisonous snake that they took in, and they still don't think that he'll bite them, and kill them once he's warm and comfortable. Trump once ended that poem with a little ad-lib "... Oh shut up,Stupid woman! He said with an evil grin. You knew I was a snake when you took me in!"

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                                                        • #15
                                                          Re: If Biden does not win in 2024

                                                          Originally posted by JimD
                                                          No president wants to see another president swing, lest they be next. The worst that will happen is there won't be an aircraft carrier called the USS Trump.
                                                          What he said, precedent and all that bull, and Paul in #4 as well.

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