OMG- Nigel Farage speaks the truth for once, Brexit has failed

[Henning 4148]

Re: OMG- Nigel Farage speaks the truth for once, Brexit has failed

Fixed that for you.

An Indy Scotland would be knocking on the door on day #1.

Andy

Is there a link between roubles and Murdoch?

[Scary Borg Craft]

Re: OMG- Nigel Farage speaks the truth for once, Brexit has failed

The wonderful health system is not going so well.. And, being kind to to the unemployed is breaking the economics. The idea of raising the retirment age, the lowest in europe, has put loads on the streets. They really don't get the economic reality. Yes, we need to do something, but not if it effects my pocket..

The same can be said of the Nordics. It is obvious why "nationalistic" parties have done well in elections in recent years. People are fed up with a reduction in the services they were used to, and paying more for less. It will not get any easier going forward.

[lupussonic]

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Is the EU perfect? No. Is it better than anything else that has been done in Europe before for many centuries? For me - yes. Just imagine - you want to work or live in Italy or Sweden or Finland or Aaland or Greece or France or ... there is nothing stopping you if you are an EU citizen.

You could do that before the EU.

[John Meachen]

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"citizenship" was a relatively meaningless word prior to Brexit, it did not stop "freedom of movement". Being a British citizen in the EU and holding a UK passport loses your rights to free movement.

This confuses me.My understanding was that once in the Schengen area,a UK passport holder is free to travel.Not necessarily to take up residence or employment.

[Peerie Maa]

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There are thousands of Afghans, Somalis, Syrians and Iraqis with Swedish passports. It is a travel document, in which it states your nationality, not necessarily the same as the nation state providing the passport.

Yes, a Swedish passport would get me across a border with no problem, but that is about it. Buying another property in an EU country and opening a bank account etc even with a Swedish passport, will still have my "British" put into the nationality box...... and there lays the problem.

It sounds as though Sweden hands out passports with the morning milk delivery.
A passport normally is a statement of Nationality, conferring a tranche of entitlements.

A passport is an official travel document issued by a government that contains a person's identity. A person with a passport can travel to and from foreign countries more easily and access consular assistance. A passport certifies the personal identity and nationality of its holder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport

Oo look

Swedish passports (Swedish: svenskt pass) are issued to nationals of Sweden for the purpose of international travel. Besides serving as proof of Swedish citizenship,

So are those immigrants citizens, or did they buy a passport on the black market from some dishonest Swede?

So why does your place of birth even come into it when you are a Swedish national?

[artif]

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This confuses me.My understanding was that once in the Schengen area,a UK passport holder is free to travel.Not necessarily to take up residence or employment.

You can still travel, only for less time and working is whole lot more paperwork.
The other big problem is movement of goods, even returning something for warranties involves taxes and paperwork, so much so that many euro companies just don't ship to the UK any more.
Its just taken three weeks to get 8sheets of steel from Germany to the UK site I'm working on. The supplier has a UK based office and their facility in Germany had the material in stock, but the paperwork and customs clearance took the time and £3000 delivery cost. The UK has shot it self in the foot.
As for the idiots and taking control of our borders, there are more people crossing the Channel than ever, but barely any controls have been put in place. The UK government rely on the RNLI (a charity lifesaving organisation ) to pick them up.

[Peerie Maa]

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You can still travel, only for less time and working is whole lot more paperwork.
The other big problem is movement of goods, even returning something for warranties involves taxes and paperwork, so much so that many euro companies just don't ship to the UK any more.
Its just taken three weeks to get 8sheets of steel from Germany to the UK site I'm working on. The supplier has a UK based office and their facility in Germany had the material in stock, but the paperwork and customs clearance took the time and £3000 delivery cost. The UK has shot it self in the foot.
As for the idiots and taking control of our borders, there are more people crossing the Channel than ever, but barely any controls have been put in place. The UK government rely on the RNLI (a charity lifesaving organisation ) to pick them up.

Just so. The Government (Tory misrule again) failed to do any due diligence before the referendum or after. They failed from the get go to do any risk analysis to see what could happen if we left, or during all the time when the die had been cast, so the oven ready exit was just a prick with a fork,
no planning or preparation was carried out or put in place.

[Rumars]

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Farage can say the truth and still be true to himself. He didn't promised this kind of brexit, in his vision the UK had all the cards, get everything it wanted from the EU and enjoy the sunlit uplands. It is of course the remoaners fault that this didn't materialized, they sabotaged it.

Like the brexiteers it seems some of you don't understand how the EU works, even when it concerns you. There is no EU citizenship, one can only be a citizen of a EU member state. If you hold such it doesn't matter where you are from originally, or what other citizenships you hold otherwise, you enjoy special privileges in the EU.
For citizens of non-EU member states there is no unified privileges scheme and everything falls under national policy, wich varies between countries.
In regard to residency, non-EU citizens wich are residents of an EU country do not enjoy the same privileges in other EU countries. Example, a UK citizen resident in Sweden can stay and work there for as long as his permit allows. The minute he leaves swedish soil he is just another british tourist, and if he travels to one of the Shengen area countries he can only stay there for 90 days (and yes, his passport should be stamped). If he wishes to stay longer he needs to obtain a new residence permit from the country he wants to stay in. The only travel facility a residence permit offers is in respect to visas, holders don't have to apply for one in advance even if their citizenship would otherwise mandate this.

[RFNK]

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Meanwhile, back here on the actual planet .....

[gypsie]

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Yes, a Swedish passport would get me across a border with no problem, but that is about it. Buying another property in an EU country and opening a bank account etc even with a Swedish passport, will still have my "British" put into the nationality box...... and there lays the problem.

I don't think that's correct. If you have a Swedish passport you are a Swedish citizen. You can then answer 'Sweden' as your nationality.

[Scary Borg Craft]

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A passport is an official travel document issued by a government that contains a person's identity. A person with a passport can travel to and from foreign countries more easily and access consular assistance. A passport certifies the personal identity and nationality of its holder.


Yes, personal identity and nationality. Do you have a British passport?, take a look at the page with your details on it and there you will find "nationality". Why would they have that box unless a passport is a travel document ?. It will tell immigration what country you are resident in, and your nationality. Travel rules due to Brexit have taken "nationality" into account , not the passport provider and residence.

Andrew is correct, Brits in the EU can still travel for up to 90 days. If they can prove they are resident in the EU with a resident permit, immigration are NOT to put stamps in passport. I carry the relevant EU law when i travel, and have needed to "educate", several people.

I do not know if the travel chaos at Dover and other ports and passport control at airports is annoying enough Brits to reconsider. Since Brexit, immigration has gone from 500,000 to over a million last year. So much for the Tory promise of getting immigration down into the "thousands".

Farage is trying to stay relevant, losing his seat in the EU parliament has cost him money, and he has expensive tastes.

[Scary Borg Craft]

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I don't think that's correct. If you have a Swedish passport you are a Swedish citizen. You can then answer 'Sweden' as your nationality.

NO. If passports are as you and Nick want to suggest, "nationality documents", why does every passport have the "nationality" identifier inside,?

I can apply to be a Swedish citizen, based on residency, that does not automatically change my nationality.

[Scary Borg Craft]

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If you have a Swedish passport you are a Swedish citizen.

Yes. The Afghans, Somalis, Syrians and Iraqis are Swedish citizens.

You can then answer 'Sweden' as your nationality

No, you cant.

I have friends from Brazil, Columbia, Thailand, Russia for example in the UK. They all have taken "British citizenship" and they all have British passports. It does not say inside those passports that their nationality is British.

[keith66]

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The day Farage started licking Trumps arse was the day he lost any credibility he had left.

[miketaylor]

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I have friends from Brazil, Columbia, Thailand, Russia for example in the UK. They all have taken "British citizenship" and they all have British passports. It does not say inside those passports that their nationality is British.[/QUOTE]

I have just taken the trouble to look at mine and my wife's passports. Mine is pre brexit and hers post brexit.

The details in each are identical; an entry for "nationality/nationalite" (sorry can't get the acute on the last e) which states "British Citizen". There is no separate identifier for citizenship as opposed to nationality although place of birth is stated. In my case UK, in my wife's, Tashkent.

My wife has pointed out, however, that in her old passports from USSR and subsequently from Kyrgyzstan there is indeed a separate entry for nationality which was effectively an ethnicity indicator. Her Kyrgyz passport, for example, showed her to be a Kyrgyz citizen with Russian nationality.

Perhaps Scaraborgcraft could post a shot of his passport to illustrate what he is talking about.

Mike