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    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”I think the Framers of the Constitution were right to include this in the Bill of Rights; the problem is that staunch defenders of the Second Amendment are really only staunch defenders of the second half of it: “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Bring up the first half, however, and people get seriously up in arms (pun intended): “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.”
    The first half of the amendment causes consternation for a reason, something I can personally attest to as an Army veteran. “Well regulated” and “militia” are terms that have fairly straightforward definitions and thus some unambiguous restrictions as well. As a veteran, let me spell those out, having been part of the modern version of that well regulated militia.
    Most who have never served in the armed forces may not know this, but the military has some of the most common-sense gun control measures you will find anywhere. We didn’t just walk around post with loaded M-16s slung over our shoulders; whenever we were not in the field or on the firing range, all of our weapons were locked up in an armory, with the ammunition secured in a totally separate location. If that’s the protocol for the best-trained military in the world, why do people with virtually no training and no need for those weapons have unfettered access to them?
    Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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    why do people with virtually no training and no need for those weapons have unfettered access to them?

    Also see: Rhetorical question.

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      Who, do gun owners think, was to regulate that militia if not the government, who was to (according to Art. 1, Sec 8) arm and train the militia, and to call it up to repel invasions, quash uprising, and enforce laws.

      FACT: neither the word "gun" or "own" appears in the 2nd amendment. It should have been deemed as moot as the 3rd.
      "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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        shall not be infringed, bitches
        Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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          I'm guessing you know who will be along shortly with a bag of insults for all who post here....

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            Originally posted by Paul Pless
            shall not be infringed, bitches
            Damn straight:

            the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
            It doesn't say guns, it says arms, which means pretty much any weapon. So, if I want a nuclear warhead and can afford it, why are my rights being infringed? And once I have my A-bomb, shouldn't I have a right to open carry it, or mount a cruise missile on my truck to deliver my warhead wherever I deem it needed? Make A-bombs cheap enough, you'd get rid of mass-casualty shootings, because they couldn't hold a candle to what you could do with a nuclear warhead.

            And when someone eventually wipes out a city either by accident or out of spite, those lily-livered liberals are going to try and restrict who can own an A-bomb. Hey, A-bombs don't kill people, people with A-bombs kill people! We'll just tell them the problem isn't A-bombs, it's mental health, then keep them from funding programs for mental health.

            Thing is, people just haven't read their social contract right.

            On the trailing edge of technology.

            https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-John-L.../dp/B07LC6Y934

            http://www.scribd.com/johnmwatkins/documents

            http://booksellersvsbestsellers.blogspot.com/

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              I'm a veteran. WTF does that have to do with forming an opinion on gun control?
              Most military veteran's jobs had little to do with firing guns.
              “Come, come, my conservative friend, wipe the dew off your spectacles and see the world is moving" - Elizabeth Cady Stanton

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                you allude to loftier aspirations than i hold; no nukes for me, but i'd be pretty happy with a flame thrower. . .

                Originally posted by johnw
                Damn straight:



                It doesn't say guns, it says arms, which means pretty much any weapon. So, if I want a nuclear warhead and can afford it, why are my rights being infringed? And once I have my A-bomb, shouldn't I have a right to open carry it, or mount a cruise missile on my truck to deliver my warhead wherever I deem it needed? Make A-bombs cheap enough, you'd get rid of mass-casualty shootings, because they couldn't hold a candle to what you could do with a nuclear warhead.

                And when someone eventually wipes out a city either by accident or out of spite, those lily-livered liberals are going to try and restrict who can own an A-bomb. Hey, A-bombs don't kill people, people with A-bombs kill people! We'll just tell them the problem isn't A-bombs, it's mental health, then keep them from funding programs for mental health.

                Thing is, people just haven't read their social contract right.
                Last edited by Paul Pless; 05-18-2023, 09:03 PM.
                Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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                  Originally posted by Paul Pless
                  you allude to loftier aspirations than i hold; no nukes for , but i'd be pretty happy with a flame thrower. . .
                  Right. For self-defense. And moles.
                  On the trailing edge of technology.

                  https://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-John-L.../dp/B07LC6Y934

                  http://www.scribd.com/johnmwatkins/documents

                  http://booksellersvsbestsellers.blogspot.com/

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                    Re: A veterans thoughts on gun control

                    Originally posted by Paul Pless
                    shall not be infringed, bitches
                    The right to 'keep' shall not be infringed. Also 'arms' does not mean now what it meant then. Do you think the 2nd gives you the right to any sort of weapon?
                    "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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                      Originally posted by John Smith
                      The right to 'keep' shall not be infringed. Also 'arms' does not mean now what it meant then. Do you think the 2nd gives you the right to any sort of weapon?
                      Of course it does. Any weapon not restricted by the NFA or the ATF, and most of those with the proper paperwork.
                      Read the Heller and Bruen decisions if you want to know what "keep and bear arms" means today.

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                          I have four people I call friend that were in the shooting war in Vietnam 68,69, and 70. PTSD up the yin yang.
                          When they could, they all got AR's.
                          For them it was-is a sense of security. Gene Peterson passed about a month ago, and with him, his nightmares. He had bought one of those cheap S&W AR's bout ten years ago. Once he had it, he kept it close.

                          Good to see John of Phoenix still among us. Hi John, is that you with the bazooka?

                          Tom

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                            ^ wrong war, John's not _that_ old!

                            plus there's the pilot thing. (-;

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                              Lots and lots of vets do not own gunz, and want no part of them . . . \

                              36% of Veterans Don't Own Any Firearms At All. 58.8% of Veterans Surveyed Own Pistols, 37.2% Own Shotguns, 30.5% Own Hunting Rifles, and 22.5% Own “Assault”-Style Rifles. 59.2% of Veterans Primarily Own a Gun for Self-Defense. 66.4% of Veterans Had Prior Experience With Firearms Before Joining the Military.

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