I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

[Joe (SoCal)]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Cops. Cops lie .
Legally.

Remember this EVERY TIME !!!!

The only word you should utter when arrested is “LAWYER”

[Too Little Time]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Let's begin with the Supreme Court.

Does anyone on this forum NOT believe nominees lied to the Senate to get confirmed. Recent nominees obviously lied when they claimed they'd respect Roe as precedent.

Where would you draw the line?

We had slavery for a long time. Then opinions changed. Some even changed to thinking the precedents in favor of slavery were wrong. I am sure that there are people who have changed their minds about abortion.

Since it is traditional for nominees to not comment on issues that they might be asked to rule on, I find it strange for you to think that they were asked about such an issue, and that they responded.

I am sure that if I were nominated and asked a questions on a similar issue, I would prefer to be on the Court rather than sitting on the sidelines while others make decisions adverse to what I would make. I would lie. I can deal with the fall out.

[Stiletto]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

I remember reading an ethics treatise on why the truth is important. The subject was covered very well indeed, and the conclusion was a stunner. To paraphrase: "If you are known as a truthful person, when the day comes that you have to tell a lie you will be believed."

[Durnik]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

here, let me help you..

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[Canoeyawl]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Wayne was reclassified, at the lobbying of the film industry, from 1A to 2A, a classification for people who are deferred from military service because what they were already doing is in “support of national interest.”

That and he wasn't about to leave Marlene Dietrich, they had it going on...

[Dikhaut]

You frequently post that the Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump lied during their confirmation hearings. This is not true. If you know it’s not true, YOU are lying. If you believe it’s true you are misinformed. The fact is that none of them made any statements about how they would vote on any cases that could come before the court in the future. They all affirmed that they recognized Rowe v. Wade as established precedent BEFORE a case challenging it came before them.


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[gypsie]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Pretending you are someone you are not by using a different login name to avoid a life time ban?

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

ya wanna go back to Thomas...I blame Biden fer that.
hell of a fighter

Biden has that on his shoulders: he denied the calling of more witnesses. My point is Thomas lied.

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Seriously? What will you do to yourself if you tell a lie? Have you ever told a lie? As far as I know, EVERY single human tells lies, no?

Or is there some line - that you haven't explained - that differentiates 'ok' lies from 'not ok' lies? I know there is for me.

One up for consideration for the supreme court, or one running for, or in office, ought not lie. I believe recent court nominees told senators they considered Roe established precedent and led them to believe they would not overturn it.

I find that unacceptable. I find a politician who votes against a bill taking credit for the money it brings to his state/district also unacceptable.

How can a democracy function if deliberately misinforming voters is acceptable?

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

Cops. Cops lie .
Legally.

Seems a lot of people lie. Question, I guess, is when does lying become fraud?

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

I remember reading an ethics treatise on why the truth is important. The subject was covered very well indeed, and the conclusion was a stunner. To paraphrase: "If you are known as a truthful person, when the day comes that you have to tell a lie you will be believed."

Guess there's some truth to that. I remember, proudly, overhearing my Postmaster yell at his supervisors. The line that stood out was, "Smith (me) at least never lied to me." I assume his supervisors had.

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

You frequently post that the Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump lied during their confirmation hearings. This is not true. If you know it’s not true, YOU are lying. If you believe it’s true you are misinformed. The fact is that none of them made any statements about how they would vote on any cases that could come before the court in the future. They all affirmed that they recognized Rowe v. Wade as established precedent BEFORE a case challenging it came before them.


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And when they got a case; precedent no longer mattered.

[Jim Bow]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

John Wayne was a draft dodger

Ask any WW2 Marine.

[John Smith]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

John Wayne was a draft dodger

And if ran for president, he'd have won.

[Toxophilite]

Re: I almost hate to ask this, but when does lying cross the line?

John Wayne's real name was Marion and he wore lifts in his boots. He also ran around happily denouncing people as communists and ruining their careers. What a creep. Not sure why people like him. The man was an actor, he played a man's man in film, doesn't mean he was one.

John Wayne was a draft dodger