Religion's role

[ron ll]

Re: Religion's role

And our brains are a marvel. But if you are under the impression that everthing in the Universe is amenable to reason... or that everything about humans is currently understood by our current level of curious exploration... you are not using that marvelous brain of yours very well, at all.

Organized Religion, and other paths to spiritual understanding, can help fill in some of the gaps, for some folks.

Everything in the universe IS amenable to reason, even your self righteousness. And nowhere did I say our current level of understanding is complete.

[Peerie Maa]

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Hmmm... a Religious Text created the way the Bible was - written by a wide variety of authors, with a wide range of insights/idiocies, some of which are contradictory and some all or none of which might be spot on the OG's message... over a wide span of time... and consolidated much much later by a self-appointed panel of experts - and you're wondering how a wide range of interpretations can arise?

I was not wondering, I was bemoaning that it happened.

[Peerie Maa]

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We have evolved to use our brains to reason. Ditching that for faith seems a waste.

I referred to research. You know, that scientific reason stuff. Research that if it is correct says that a large proportion of Hom Sap are genetically predisposed to have a religion.
So nothing is being "ditched".

[John Smith]

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There have always been people who misinterpret the teachings of great spiritual leaders. 'Tis the way of the world. But don't make the mistake of dismissing all the good that followers of Buddha have done in the world because of the egregious idiocy of a few of them. Or any other denomination, for that matter.

I know a number of non believers who've lived lives of great integrity and honesty. I hope you're not implying that one must hold religious beliefs to do so.

Seems to me a great deal like the GOP. GOP preaches less government and less regulation, but when elected do the opposite; they ban books, control colleges, deny rights to gays and trans..........

[ron ll]

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I referred to research. You know, that scientific reason stuff. Research that if it is correct says that a large proportion of Hom Sap are genetically predisposed to have a religion.
So nothing is being "ditched".

Wasnt referring to you but religion in general.

[David G]

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Everything in the universe IS amenable to reason, even your self righteousness. And nowhere did I say our current level of understanding is complete.

I would have to disagree about everything being amenable to reason.

Or if it is... that we'll ever attain the level of intellectual capability that will allow us to actualize it.

I'm reminded of Arthur C. Clarke's comments on technology and magic.

Curious... what part of my comment did you see as 'self-righteous'?

[Peerie Maa]

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Wasnt referring to you but religion in general.

And I was pointing out that some of us have no choice but to be religious, just as they cannot not be left-handed. Can you ditch what you were bourn with?

I worked with a top-notch engineer. We applied science every day in our work. He was a committed Christian and a Good Guy.

[Dikhaut]

I've never been big on religion. I've been told over my life hundreds of time that religion teaches love.

I must be missing something, as I only seem to see it teaching hate. Hate trans, hate gays, hate immigrants, hate blacks, etc.....

I don’t know of any religions that teach hate. They all certainly seem to have their fringe nut jobs that make that interpretation but they are the exception.


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[Keith Wilson]

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How can one man's teaching be so many different things?

Well, one man's teachings written down by multiple people decades afterward and written about later yet by quite a few others, and that's only in the Official Book. Then elaborated on by thousands more, absorbed by the bureaucracy of the Roman Empire . . . Sometimes I'm amazed that anything of the original remains, if it indeed does.

I don't know of any religions that teach hate. They all certainly seem to have their fringe nut jobs that make that interpretation but they are the exception.

I'd say that there are large sections of current evangelical Christianity, and all too much of conservative Islam, that really do teach hate, at least partially. All too mainstream, not 'fringe nut jobs' at all. Some Hindu factions as well, I think, but I'm not as familiar with them.

[Breakaway]

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We have evolved to use our brains to reason. Ditching that for faith seems a waste.

Funny hearing that reason trumps all from a woodenboat owner.



Kevin

Edit: Actually, any boatowner, but especially those in possession of wooden craft

[Breakaway]

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Pity that. How can one man's teaching be so many different things?

Sad, he was trying to bring Judaism back to the true path, and created a monster.

Did you ever play telephone?

Kevin

[Keith Wilson]

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Did you ever play telephone?

And for centuries. And then you get people adding their own ideas - St Paul, St Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, Joe Smith . . .

[ron ll]

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Funny hearing that reason trumps all from a woodenboat owner.



Kevin

Edit: Actually, any boatowner, but especially those in possession of wooden craft

Believe me, faith isn’t what’s keeping her afloat.

[Bflat]

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"Not only is there no God; try getting a plumber on a weekend." -Woody Allen-

[Breakaway]

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Believe me, faith isn’t what’s keeping her afloat.