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  • #61
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    The conspiracy was complete before Jan 6. If each defendant had fallen into a coma on Jan 5, and an asteroid destroyed the Capitol on Jan 6, they would be still be guilty. If someone else should be charged with being part of that same conspiracy, their particular, individual acts and intent will have to be proven, and the conviction of Rhodes etc. is unlikely to be evidence. At subsequent trials, the question is not whether other people were previously convicted.

    Jurors swear an oath to follow the law. If it puts them in danger, they are not relieved of their obligations, any more than a soldier would be.

    I agree that the convictions are a cultural milestone.
    Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

    Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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    • #62
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      What do you reckon the defence lawyer was gettig at with 'In a different jurisdiction the result would have been different".
      If the trial had been held say in Florida he wouldn't have been convicted?

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      • #63
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        Originally posted by skuthorp
        What do you reckon the defence lawyer was gettig at with 'In a different jurisdiction the result would have been different".
        If the trial had been held say in Florida he wouldn't have been convicted?
        He's saying that the jury pool from one place may be socially, culturally and economically different than the jury pool from a different place.

        Kevin
        There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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        • #64
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          The conviction is still not being reported on Fox News. Why are they trying to bury the story?
          In the US this perverted idea of “blood and soil” over “constitutional principles” is the most radical and anti-democratic and anti-Conservative idea I have heard in my lifetime.

          ~C. Ross

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          • #65
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            Originally posted by McMike
            The conviction is still not being reported on Fox News.
            that is quite a puzzlement !!

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            • #66
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              Perhaps their brains are melting because they are between a rock and a hard place?
              It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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              The weakness of the web: Anyone can post anything on the web.

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              • #67
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                Originally posted by McMike
                The conviction is still not being reported on Fox News. Why are they trying to bury the story?
                one of my in-laws is a big fox news watcher, he tried to get me to watch some with him during the recent thanksgiving holiday, i begged off to watch football instead; when i told him that i mostly get my news from npr and the bbc he started muttering about government propaganda as he left the room
                Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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                • #68
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                  Sophistry is seductive; much easier than actually thinking.

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                  • #69
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                    Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                    Perhaps their brains are melting because they are between a rock and a hard place?
                    They might be a little worried that their names are being bandied about as potential Co-conspirators.

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                    • #70
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                      There's an interesting interview of the three eldest Rhodes children in the Southern Poverty Law Center's latest edition of Hate And Extremism In 2022. Basically, they say their father is a very dangerous creep.

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                      • #71
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                        Is that a dollar bill close to the left bottom corner? What does it stand for? It seems there is some symbolism in the picture ...

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                        • #72
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                          she can be had cheap?

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                          • #73
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                            The Dancing Nazi Girl also went down !! (a few weeks ago . . )

                            yea

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                            • #74
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                              Bumping this old thread back up, because Stewart Rhodes just got sentenced.

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                              If I use the word "God," I sure don't mean an old man in the sky who just loves the occasional goat sacrifice. - Anne Lamott

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                              • #75
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                                Judge Mehta said in the sentencing that "Treason has been determined to be the appropriate analogue."

                                18 years in a federal prison.
                                "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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