Biden going after semi-automatics?

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

If the Carbine is exempted I can probably sell it for enough to buy a Fleming World Cruiser.

[Decourcy]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Excellent !!!
I'm emailing my representatives to vote YES on this type of ban.

Welllll…to clarify. The government bit off too much. The AR ban has been tied up in courts for two years now, and will continue to be for at least two more. The handgun ban has multiple court challenges to work through. Because of some of the things like the larger bore hunting rifles getting added in, hunting orgs are now pushing back.

End result will likely be that everything dies at the table.

Lesson to your government? Don’t try to go overboard
Lesson to your gun owners? Government always goes overboard

[McMike]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

nothing

we are currently at the point along a thirty year trend line moving steadily towards more relaxed gun rights verus increased regulation; this trend in my estimation, gained its first bit of accelerating momentum with the aforementioned ill conceived clinton era federal assault weapons ban

i've watched, crisis and tragedy, time after time, come and go, and each time a 'national' discussion on the issue occurs, a few months to a year later, gun regulation is further eroded in the law - whether that be through 'shall issue' laws, open carry, reciprocal rights to carry, stand your ground, etc. etc.

in all that time what has the left gained? a ban on bump stocks? ineffective red flag laws in three states? it's entirely ridiculous, dumbest **** ever

it was ever a losing issue politically for democrats, unfortunately too late for the to do anything about it now, they are married to it

where do you rank gun control in importance compared to the following:

• woman's rights to reproductive health choices
• income inequality
• effective and responsible management of the economy
• tax policy
• voting rights
• education policy
• lgtbq rights and marriage equality
• right wing and white supremist radicalization
• the green economy and a move towards clean energy sources
• environmental and sustainability issues

advocating for gun control compromises your ability to address all of the above issues in a progressive manner

and, as the chart in post #21 shows, where it counts, when you put your money where your mouth is, liberals are not committed to truly committed to changing gun control policy

I agree 100%.

[McMike]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Excellent !!!
I'm emailing my representatives to vote YES on this type of ban.

And if they do, the ban will be found unconstitutional before it can take effect and the entire left of center to-do list will be lost with it. Don't be stupid.

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

where do you rank gun control in importance compared to the following:

• woman's rights to reproductive health choices
• income inequality
• effective and responsible management of the economy
• tax policy
• voting rights
• education policy
• lgtbq rights and marriage equality
• right wing and white supremist radicalization
• the green economy and a move towards clean energy sources
• environmental and sustainability issues

advocating for gun control compromises your ability to address all of the above issues in a progressive manner

Paul, while the question is valid, the assumption that we can't do multiple things only demonstrates the level of dysfunction that currently blocks our government. These are all important issues when properly phrased.

[Joe (SoCal)]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

And if they do, the ban will be found unconstitutional before it can take effect and the entire left of center to-do list will be lost with it. Don't be stupid.

It’s an “Amendment’ if you can’t change an amendment then why do they call it an amendment. Sounds like some of you need a thesaurus if you don’t know what that is get a dictionary and work your way backwards. We used to have an amendment that banned booze, then someone said I like booze and poof that amendment was gone. Oh and what was that other amendment OH yea SLAVERY and woman can’t vote and and and .

[David W Pratt]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

It's so obvious! Even avid hunters should get behind this and traditionally they have back when the NRA was all about gun safety.

Say ten years ago, before the SC struck down a lot of gun restrictions, we could probably have gotten a pretty demanding national standard for training and certification for concealed carry, if it had been coupled with national recognition of the certification.
Gun enthusiasts would have loved it, and the training, following the Drivers' Ed rationale, should have resulted in more responsible gun owners. It would have relieved a lot of the pressure for constitutional carry, although Vermont has had that for centuries without deleterious effect.

[skuthorp]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

#113
Jim, such a person would probably get themselves shot before the end of their term……………...

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Say ten years ago, before the SC struck down a lot of gun restrictions, we could probably have gotten a pretty demanding national standard for training and certification for concealed carry, if it had been coupled with national recognition of the certification.
Gun enthusiasts would have loved it, and the training, following the Drivers' Ed rationale, should have resulted in more responsible gun owners. It would have relieved a lot of the pressure for constitutional carry, although Vermont has had that for centuries without deleterious effect.

Actually, there is one more thing - there is value when society says to its members "Guns are not a solution to your problems!" I honestly believe that part of our problem is the ease of gun ownership, but another is that loud voice in social media proclaiming that guns are the solution.

[McMike]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

It’s an “Amendment’ if you can’t change an amendment then why do they call it an amendment. Sounds like some of you need a thesaurus if you don’t know what that is get a dictionary and work your way backwards. We used to have an amendment that banned booze, then someone said I like booze and poof that amendment was gone. Oh and what was that other amendment OH yea SLAVERY and woman can’t vote and and and .

Just as easy as you can change the 1st and the rest; right? What you're talking about is so far out from the realm of possibility that it's ridiculous to say. There is no path for what you want in terms of gun control for the next 25 years . . .at least. 50% of Republicans, 27% of Democrats, and 35% of independents own a firearm or more. Tell me, whats your plan to change their minds?

[L.W. Baxter]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

oregon passed a gun control ballot measure this round. the gun rights crowd didn't even bother campaigning against it, it is so bad. and there was basically zero press about it. even supporters know it won't be implemented.

the measure creates multiple unrelated and redundant rules, and was written so poorly, the gun righties just laughed it off. "see ya in court".

i am generally in favor of just about any gun control law, but i voted against this one. it's a stillborn waste of everyone's time.

[Paul Pless]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

the most obscene part of this debate is that we lose focus that the progun lobby is largely driven by the firearms industry
that industry sold $51billion worth of products in 2021 making the industry less than two-tenths of one percent of the economy
as a right wing lobby we allow them an outsized influence on the totality of american politics

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[Joe (SoCal)]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Just as easy as you can change the 1st and the rest; right? What you're talking about is so far out from the realm of possibility that it's ridiculous to say. There is no path for what you want in terms of gun control for the next 25 years . . .at least. 50% of Republicans, 27% of Democrats, and 35% of independents own a firearm or more. Tell me, whats your plan to change their minds?

Most Americans Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and non voters want MORE rational, reasonable, gun legislation , and most Americans are for an assault weapons ban.

Me, I WANT TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR CONFISCATE ALL YOUR F'n FIREARMS AND MELT THEM F'n ALL

[Canoeyawl]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

First they came for our guns, then they came for our pencils

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

the most obscene part of this debate is that we lose focus that the progun lobby is largely driven by the firearms industry
that industry sold $51billion worth of products in 2021 making the industry less than two-tenths of one percent of the economy
as a right wing lobby we allow them an outsized influence on the totality of american politics

wedge
wedge
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dse

I don't know what is worse. The oil industry is 8% of our economy and they stand in the way of renewable energy. The health insurance industry is 20% of our economy (that makes my head explode!) and they stand in the way of putting the doctors back in charge of health care.