Biden going after semi-automatics?

[Paul Pless]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Like a motor vehicle, the other deadly weapon
License to operate, registration and insurance seems simple enough

sure, all for it, i'd add a safe storage requirement to your list

but that 'registration' requirement is the slippery slope we could never get past
once you create a list of firearms owners such a list never goes away
eventually ten years gone by or so the confiscations will begin
just like they have everywhere else such a list has been compiled
or so goes the narrative from the right

[Nicholas Carey]

Pointless discussion as we have been here before. My ruger no1 may be on the block. Hope that makes you feel safer. The end plan is English style laws.

How would a Ruger No. 1 be "on the block"?

That's a falling-block (single-shot) breechloader. One step above a muzzleloader, and a close relative of the Springfield "trapdoor" Model 1873, the Sharps rifle of 1848 (originally designed for paper cartridges), the Remington rolling block rifle of 1864, etc. . . .

A good rifleman could crank out, what, maybe 8-10 rounds/minute with one of those?

They're not coming for your Ruger #1.

[Treeguyus]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Proof on that? No . . . I thought so. I'm not on your side, I like the truth.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/866

https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/jtf-immigrants-political-engagement.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/01/noncitizen-voting-new-york-democrats-immigrants/621276/

[David W Pratt]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

the clinton era assault weapons ban had zero effect on any forms of gun violence
because the ban was entirely meaningless - this has been well studied
manufacturers simply removed the cosmetic features described in the ban and continued selling the same guns less items like flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, and folding stocks; folding stocks remained available through the aftermarket as did high capacity magazines

there was a decrease in violent crime rates during the clinton administration but that decrease is attributable to better economic conditions

Although I am no fan of Clinton's gun ban, I believe during its lifetime there were no mass killings due to bayonet lugs.

[hawkeye54]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

You guys.

Andy, exasperated.

And I, as well, for the following reason :

Back in 1968 - 1979, part of my 'other duties as assigned' was to familiarize literally hundreds of U S Navy sailors with all the small arms they would possibly be using in their careers (at the time, that included M1911A1 pistol, M1 rifle, shotguns, Thompson submachine gun, BAR, and .30 caliber and .50 caliber machine guns ) The training was intended to convey to them the safe handling, storage, and use of each weapon. With the benefit of 50 years of 'hindsight' , one has to wonder if some semblance of that training (as a 'refresher' ) MIGHT have made a difference in how weapons / weapons handling is viewed and approached here in the US . - × × In all those years of instruction, I only encountered one individual who was 'waving around' a loaded weapon - a Thompson submachine gun - he was harshly disciplined. × × ×


Rick

[Paul Pless]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

How would a Ruger No. 1 be "on the block"?

there are also bore size and muzzle energy restrictions included in cantada's new firearms restrictions

[McMike]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...resolution/866

https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/jtf-immigrants-political-engagement.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...grants/621276/

The first two don't have anything to do with ilegal imigrants voting and the last one continues to prohibit them from voting . . .

New York law applies only to people who have legal status in the U.S. and have resided in the city for at least 30 days. It does not confer voting rights to undocumented immigrants.)

Remember, "no taxation without representation", how can a taxpayer be represented if they can't vote? Ohhhhh . . . . I see, you forgot that we are a nation of immigrants and if not for them we'd be facing population shrinkage, even bigger labor shortages, and a deeper recession... I for one know my company could certainly use more skilled labor and are literally stopped from growing because the lack of it over the past few years. I thought you were worried about the illegal immigrants being allowed to vote . . . jeeze, you nearly gave me a heart attack when I thought you might have some proof of that . . .

[Jim Mahan]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

It's a good damn thing the US Constitution wasn't ever amended to include the God-given right to automobiles.

The thing that needs to be done, is for someone like the president—not Biden because he's already well on the record for wanting sensible gun legislation—but for a subsequent president or someone else equally highly visible and in an election affecting position, like a Senate majority leader or Speaker of the House, to say out loud, publicly, that wanting to make such legislation is "just too hard because there are too many guns already and too many people like having them whether they use them or need them or just like them, and," and this is the key part—"people should just shut up about it and stop whining about a handful of kids in schools getting wasted on a frequent, almost regular basis. Just quit whining about kids and church-goers dying of gunshots because, after all, they're all going to die eventually anyway, and they're such a small part of the electorate. So let's talk about something important instead, like stopping people from murdering unborn babies."

The point of being publicly so callous would be to cause even more hot outrage from the general public, enough to swell up and overwhelm the real and unspoken limits to gun legislation. To make it so everyone in federal office just can't go to work without encountering seriously angry parents and other concerned citizens hounding them about a genuine effort to make substantial changes.

Whoever led the way in this calculated outrage baiting would be a sort of stalking horse and be willing to leave office in disgrace and sacrifice a reasonable legacy. (But he or she would be a hero.) Thus pointing the way forward for the rest of gun lobby kowtowers and big donor suckups, and leaving them only one option for ending that boiling outrage.

The country, according to polling, is in favor of the kind of legislation that other, more civilized countries enjoy, by a significant majority. If we didn't have such a dysfunctional system of special interest money in government, it would already be done. Even though there are three times [ninety percent of statistics on internet forums are just made up no the spot to make a point] as many guns in private hands in the US than there are citizens, the actual gun owners are in the minority. So fixing the school shooting problem, by in large part vastly reducing the availability of guns—as well as seriously legislating enough social and economic changes to obviate the usual reasons for gun violence—what we really need, is more of those citizens, the ones who would be stirred up to the point of actually going out and voting their conscience, and their righteous outrage.

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Like a motor vehicle, the other deadly weapon
License to operate, registration and insurance seems simple enough

It's so obvious! Even avid hunters should get behind this and traditionally they have back when the NRA was all about gun safety.

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

eventually ten years gone by or so the confiscations will begin

The confiscations will begin if the killing hasn't stopped. Isn't it the obligation of gun owners to stand up for responsible gun ownership? I believe that society can stop the killing by changing the whole culture of gun ownership.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Maybe my Underwood 30 cal M1 Carbine will be exempted as an antique", eh?

[Decourcy]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

there are also bore size and muzzle energy restrictions included in cantada's new firearms restrictions

Im impressed. An American who actually reads what our coming restrictions are based on.

[Nicholas Scheuer]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

So 22cal AR15's will be OK? What fun!

Im impressed. An American who actually reads what our coming restrictions are based on.

[Decourcy]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

So 22cal AR15's will be OK? What fun!

Nope. All banned


Most rimfires semis are to be banned, along with all “AR derivatives”, and all centre fire semis


Most semi shotguns too. Most big bores. Etc etc


So yes, some ruger no1’s

[Joe (SoCal)]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Nope. All banned


Most rimfires semis are to be banned, along with all “AR derivatives”, and all centre fire semis


Most semi shotguns too. Most big bores. Etc etc


So yes, some ruger no1’s

Excellent !!!
I'm emailing my representatives to vote YES on this type of ban.