Biden going after semi-automatics?

[Decourcy]

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that's not what i said at all

Liberals have interesting reading ability

[Decourcy]

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FYI Paul, added to the list on the assault rifle ban coming down the pipe in Canada are such guns as the SKS, the Garand, and in fact a number of hunting rifles including some ruger no1’s and wetherby’s etc.

Liberals have interesting definitions as well

[Jim Mahan]

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What else do we expect? 600 mass killings while Democrats controlled the federal government only reflects that the Democrats did nothing to change the laws. Now that they lack control, they have ideas.

Democrats would pass the legislation except that the Rs block it. And the only reason anyone blocks such legislation is the big money donors that represent the gun makers and the follow-on industry related to selling guns. And I'm sure there are some Ds that are that craven, too. It shouldn't be partisan, but it is actually, the same way the goram vaccines and masks shouldn't have been partisan but it is.

Think about the gun thing like this. Suppose some time in the indeterminate future it is the case that the ARs and high capacity magazines are actually illegal, and it's been, say, twenty years since the legislation was passed. And now, in twenty-whatever, all those salient stats show that gun violence is way down, that everyone feels a lot safer, that schools aren't being turned into parking lots because no one wants to send their kids thre after some typical heinous mass shooting.

Now the fun part. In this hypothetical, it's twenty years after passing the laws everyone but gun aficianados and the gun industry wants. The various people who really really wanted to keep their ARs because of whatever stupid reaons—because it sure as hell isn't deer hunting or goose hunting or even coyote control—suppose all those people have had twenty years to get over it and make an adjustment to their gun ownership. Now, in this hypothetical, they can still own a six-shooter, a revolver. They can still own a bolt-action hunting rifle with a three bullet magazine. They can still put down the coyotes, They can still bring home an annual carcass of venison. They can keep foxes out of the hen house and rabbits and squirrels at bay. They can still tromp through the woods in the fall or scan a mountain peak for a trophy goat. And they can still go to a range and shoot targets all day every day if they want to. Just not with an AR or with a magazine that holds more than, say, four rounds. You want to go to the Olympics and compete with target rifles and pistols, you still can. Just not with ARs and not with high capacity magazines.

Such law would keep all those mindless idots that have some known only to themselves reason for getting homocidal in an elementary school or church or town council meeting—from spraying the assembled innocents with bullets. Such law would make the evening news reporting of such an incident more rare, as it should be. A reasonable law to keep known felons and etc from owning guns, and a law that keeps ghost guns from proliferating, all would keep the numbers of dead and maimed due to gun violence much, much lower than it is now. And then we'd only have to hear the craven and mindless 'thoughts and prayers' bull**** on a rare occasion.

And the craven Rs and Ds in Congress could just fund their campaign war chests with some other issue and other deep pocket donors.

[Too Little Time]

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Democrats would pass the legislation except that the Rs block it.

Democrats need to explain why when they have control of the federal government they do not propose such legislation. And why they wait until they lack control to propose such legislation.

But you can do this for this.

[bob winter]

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This donation issue needs to be under control before the US will make a whole lot of progress and term limits wouldn't be a bad idea either. In Canada, political donations are sharply regulated and no corporate donations are allowed period. I assume our politicians are no better than those in the US, they just get their stuff on the tail end such as directorships and such.

Unfortunately, we don't have term limits although judges and senators have to retire at 75. In old days a senate appointment was for life, it was a very quiet spot.

[Paul Pless]

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[Steve McMahon]

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Lots of chest pounding going on on this side of the border about the ban and buyback of “assault style rifles” In my simple mind I agree with banning them, with the definition of an assault rifle changed to be “any rifle for which magazines capable of more than 5 rounds are available either legally in a neighbouring country or known to be available on the black market”. I would go further and eventually ban all semi automatic guns. I live in an area where moose hunting is not just a sport, it is a way of life and for many a matter of survival. No one uses an “assault style” rifle. Why would they when they have the option of a much more accurate hunting rifle? If you told any of my neighbours that you needed a semi auto or more than three bullets in your magazine to take your moose they would politely suggest you need more education on hunting and probably a lot more time on the range.

[John Smith]

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The short paragraph in the middle of the above article is a lie by misdirection.



It gives the impression that there were only those four incidents, so far this year, when the reality is that there are over six hundred mass shootings in the US every year. Mass shootings defined as four or more people shot in an incident. The actual statistics of gun violence are easily found on the web and the numbers are mindbogglingly atrocious.

It is a pandering craven lie, in the same way, that gun proponents say that there are millions of responsible gun owners and users who are law abiding and never shoot anyone. Even if that is actually true, it's a disengenuous argument to obscure the fact that the US has so much gun violence. The other big lie, meant to obscure the facts and deflect a realistic discussion of what should be done to 'finally put an end to the insanity' is to blame some imaginary dearth of mental health care. It isn't a binary issue, guns or not, killing or not, mental health or not. The real answer, the real solution to ending the gun insanity in America is to do many things that will have an impact, and one of the most obvious, and demonstrably the most effective in a quiver of many arrows of the solution is to vastly restrict the ownership of guns. And the best start is to restrict the manufacture sale and possession of assault type weapons. And make violations of gun laws felonies with harsh penalties.

I think one of the very best things America could do, not that it's remotely possible, yet, would be to melt down every single AR. And make three-printing and ghost gun manufacture and ownership punishable by life in prison.

Please contact your paper, your news network, or such and ask they begin Jan. 1 a daily posting of gun deaths year to date. I've done so, but I'm a lone voice. If more people asked, maybe it will happen, and then more people may be shocked by the rate the numbers rise.

[John Smith]

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The last time an assault weapon ban was passed during the Clinton era, gun crime went down. The tragedy is that the fools in Congress put a ten-year sunset proviso into the bill.

All SCOTUS has to do is to really be originalist and declare their love for " well-regulated militias ", and this scourge of unfettered gun worship will begin to die off.

I often ask, "Who, if not the government, was to regulate that well regulated militia."

[Decourcy]

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Lots of chest pounding going on on this side of the border about the ban and buyback of “assault style rifles” In my simple mind I agree with banning them, with the definition of an assault rifle changed to be “any rifle for which magazines capable of more than 5 rounds are available either legally in a neighbouring country or known to be available on the black market”. I would go further and eventually ban all semi automatic guns. I live in an area where moose hunting is not just a sport, it is a way of life and for many a matter of survival. No one uses an “assault style” rifle. Why would they when they have the option of a much more accurate hunting rifle? If you told any of my neighbours that you needed a semi auto or more than three bullets in your magazine to take your moose they would politely suggest you need more education on hunting and probably a lot more time on the range.

Like moose hunting is the only reason to have a rifle…..
Silly.

Fyi, refer to the 300 page list ti see how many aren’t actually “black” or even semi.

[David W Pratt]

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If President Biden were truly interested in harm reduction via reducing mass shootings, he could focus on domestic violence. About half of all mass shootings, per the FBI, are the end stage of domestic violence. If that were addressed and reduced, not only would there be fewer mass shootings, but the ancillary damage of years and years of physical and emotional prodrome that led up to the shooting would be avoided.

[Peerie Maa]

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Like moose hunting is the only reason to have a rifle…..
Silly.

Fyi, refer to the 300 page list ti see how many aren’t actually “black” or even semi.

It is a good explanation of why semi autos are unnecessary. Our professional gamekeepers stalking or culling deer do not use them, their rifles are limited to three round magazines. None of our shooting fraternity uses semi autos, cos they are illegal in the UK.

[Joe (SoCal)]

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Yesterday near me.

Shooting Leaves 1 Dead, 4 Injured In Costa Mesa Thanksgiving Day

COSTA MESA, CA — A man was in custody Friday in connection with a shooting in Costa Mesa on Thanksgiving Day that left one person dead and four other people wounded.

https://patch.com/california/mission...campaign=alert

[Jim Mahan]

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If you are a current owner of an AR type weapon, for whatever reason, and they become illegal, would you turn yours in, and would you then find a different way to legally own some kind of firearm or take up another hobby?

And if you would be put out by that infringement on your interests, do you think your being put out is more or less important than that a significantly larger group of people than gun owners feel at least as put out over death toll of the continued school and church and town council meetings being shot up by kids with ARs?

Is it more of a hardship for you to give up your AR than it is for parents to let their kids go to school knowing that some wound up teenager with an AR might show up and make your kid's school the latest in an obscenely long list of school shootings?

More directly, if it were shown to be the case, incontrovertibly, that your giving up your AR would lessen the number of kids dying by that kind of firearm, would you then be willing to let go of your AR?

If at some point in our collective future the US has turned this fiasco around and we end up with fewer gun violence deaths than, say, Denmark or New Zealand, would you gun owners feel like it was worth it, or would you want to revert to the way things are now, so you could have your interest back?

[Joe (SoCal)]

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