Biden going after semi-automatics?

[WI-Tom]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

What you fail to see is that your number 2 will do nothing to prevent tens of thousands of deaths

Evidence for that claim? What makes you think you know this?

As for this:

but wil: deepen the divide, drive up gun sales of all types, and make the real gun nuts nuttier. Also of course give reason for a persecution complex.

1. Can the divide be deepened? More importantly, so what if it is deepened? Morally, preventing gun deaths trumps the desire to avoid offending gun owners.

2. Persecution complex? They already have it. They've had it for years. Too bad. Time for gun owners to put on their big boy pants and realize that when they resist gun control legislation, they are contributing to the murders of thousands of people every year, and tens of thousands of suicides. There is no right enshrined in the U.S. constitution to avoid gun regulation.

Tom

[WI-Tom]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

except that is not what i said either. why rephrase inaccurately?

why would i bother reasonong with somebody who does that so consistently. i wouldn't.

Ah, the old "rephrasing" accusation. Except, I'd say my representation of what you said is not all that far off the mark:

i was referring to the actual measures being proposed in the current culture-war environment.

oregon ballot measure 114 is a perfect example.

I "rephrased" it, I suppose, to suggest that I find your position on this issue silly. As accurately as I can understand your position, it is:

1. Anyone trying to pass gun control legislation similar to Oregon 114 is either ignorant, or pandering to progressives, or both.

2. Anyone trying to impose additional gun regulations will "deepen the cultural divide," and that's bad.

When challenged, you were unwilling (unable?) to explain:

--What you find objectionable in Oregon 114
--Why it's more important to avoid "deepening the cultural divide" than it is to deal with a national health emergency involving gun deaths
--Why masks and vaccines, which certainly "deepened the cultural divide," were OK with you (if I remember correctly), but measures to deal with gun deaths are not

I think it's that second point that I find most offensive. Like I said, time for gun owners to put on their big boy pants and stop being part of the problem by opposing gun regulation. I don't care if that means they can't use their favorite toys everywhere and everywhen they want. Too bad.

I also don't think the divide can BE deepened. In which case, the major part of your argument appears to be irrelevant. But whatever. Even if you're right, see my second question above.

Tom

[WI-Tom]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Then don't have kids.

But the right is against abortions, against sex ed, and against birth control. Hmm...

Tom

[sandtown]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

A huge portion of this country does want universal healthcare. You have to wonder why the Democrats are mum on it. Now, nothing will happen, we'll stay stagnate for another generation.

Partly correct, but note how the Dems get obstructed by the Right, and then get blamed for nothing happening.

Back in the days of yore, many Republicans also supported M4A. Those days are well and truly gone.

[RCRVRP]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

We haven't deployed it, it's there for a precaution. Our shop is in a nasty neighborhood and many of the people who do this work are hotheads. What triggered it was a person who is a violent person got fired. We settled on pepper spray to thwart any acts on his part. Fortunately, it never came to that. I think you need to understand, humans are sh17, they will do evil things. A little prevention is not unreasonable. The owner may carry a pistol, I don't know, no one else does and I'm glad for that.

I assume having it available to all the people at desks meant it is "deployed" as in moved into position for potential action, even if not actually sprayed. But perhaps that is just semantics.

May I ask what kind of works attracts these " hotheads" your company needs to be so wary of?
Not asking where you work, just wondering what type of work this is that may attract this type of violent people.

Over my lifetime including summer college jobs, part time jobs during the school year and so on I suppose I worked at 20 or more companies but never felt threatened to the point I needed pepper spray at the ready. If I did feel that way I'd be looking for another job real fast.

[FishoutaFlorida]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

You know I used to live on a farm and used guns for hunting, varmint control and target practice. It was a part of life.

That is until my wife and I were shot at and heard that terrifying buzz of a 30.06 bullet flying by.

No longer do I own or use a gun. And I've been right with SoCal Joe for some time now!

Me, I WANT TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR CONFISCATE ALL YOUR F'n FIREARMS AND MELT THEM F'n ALL

Too many innocent lives lost. And we just sit on our hands and send prayers and kind thoughts to families and friends of victims.

Shame on us.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

What you fail to see is that your number 2 will do nothing to prevent tens of thousands of deaths, but wil: deepen the divide, drive up gun sales of all types, and make the real gun nuts nuttier. Also of course give reason for a persecution complex.

I doubt anything that fails to address guns already bought will have much impact.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Hillary Clinton was that hot culture war. "Anybody but Hillary" was the battle cry. And I agree, the anti-gun crowed is pandering, along with the college loan forgiveness crowd. A huge portion of this country does want universal healthcare. You have to wonder why the Democrats are mum on it. Now, nothing will happen, we'll stay stagnate for another generation.

It's successfully labeled "Socialism" by the right, and that word prevents them from learning the facts of how well universal healthcare works.

This is just one example of why we need to get lies out of politics and news.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Then don't have kids.

Not all pregnancies are planned, and in many places now abortions are not available.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

It stands to reason that if the left is "bold" enough to scream and yell about gun control, they'd scream and yell about something that most Americans care about and arguably will save more lives.

You are aware of how congress works, no?

[CWSmith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Maybe '****ty parenting' comes from the family needing several jobs to make ends meet. Maybe constant worries about money contribute to bad parents. Any WANT to be a bad parent?

Then don't have kids.

Oh come on! People deserve to make a living wage when they work a job and not need to work 2 and 3 jobs to support their families. Their communities suffer. The teachers in their schools don't get the support at home that is needed for successful education, and the cycle continues.

[Decourcy]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

I doubt anything that fails to address guns already bought will have much impact.

That is something that I don’t think can be addressed. I’ve already discussed low compliance rates in other countries like here and NZ to “buybacks”. I’d expect the US to only have a fraction of those rates.

[L.W. Baxter]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

Hillary Clinton was that hot culture war. "Anybody but Hillary" was the battle cry. And I agree, the anti-gun crowed is pandering, along with the college loan forgiveness crowd. A huge portion of this country does want universal healthcare. You have to wonder why the Democrats are mum on it. Now, nothing will happen, we'll stay stagnate for another generation.

yeah, and "never trump" was another battle cry. i never said we don't have to fight battles. my point is that the progressive left has chosen the wrong ones. tragically wrong.

funny you mention hillary and universal healthcare. seeing as how she is the only major political figure to ever really go to bat for it. she presented a workable plan in 1993. so good that the republicans principally feared it because it would work too well, and democrats would get credit from the middle class and working poor. look it up.

so they turned their smear machine into high gear. and their smearing echoes thirty years later in the distorted perception of hrc and her "likability", her "electability". what they did worked, in other words, and not just on the dittoheads.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

That is something that I don’t think can be addressed. I’ve already discussed low compliance rates in other countries like here and NZ to “buybacks”. I’d expect the US to only have a fraction of those rates.

Buy back needs patients. Assuming, for example, I had guns and no desire to sell them back. Question becomes what my heirs would do with them, which may be some years down the road.

[John Smith]

Re: Biden going after semi-automatics?

yeah, and "never trump" was another battle cry. i never said we don't have to fight battles. my point is that the progressive left has chosen the wrong ones. tragically wrong.

funny you mention hillary and universal healthcare. seeing as how she is the only major political figure to ever really go to bat for it. she presented a workable plan in 1993. so good that the republicans principally feared it because it would work too well, and democrats would get credit from the middle class and working poor. look it up.

so they turned their smear machine into high gear. and their smearing echoes thirty years later in the distorted perception of hrc and her "likability", her "electability". what they did worked, in other words, and not just on the dittoheads.

The guy who drove the coffee truck to us at 4 AM ish always had Limbaugh on the radio. He was convinced he'd suffer greatly if Hillary's plan passed. I wrote her. I got a reply with a copy of the synopsis of her proposal.

Only change he would see if it passed would be to buy the same insurance he has for a lower price.