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    Haven't seen much on this, here (perhaps I've missed it?). Putin, and his advisers, have a resurrection of the Soviet Union (the dissolution of which putin called 'the greatest tragedy of this generation', or some such) as their ultimate goal. Amassing over 100,000 soldiers on Ukraines border; lying about intent. In all, typical russian behavior.

    HCR runs a nice blog, which I've shared here before. Todays is good.


    Heather Cox Richardson

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    January 31, 2022 (Monday)

    CNN reported tonight that former president Trump had not one but two executive orders prepared to enable his loyalists to seize voting machines after the 2020 election. One authorizing the Pentagon to seize the machines was made public as part of the investigation by the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol. Another, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security, has been confirmed to CNN by a number of sources, but is not publicly available.

    Shortly after this report, the New York Times reported a story with much more detail, claiming that Trump was directly involved in the plans to seize the machines. The authors talked to “people familiar with the matter [who] were briefed on the events by participants or had firsthand knowledge of them.” That latter description is interesting: someone in Trump’s inner circle is talking to reporters (and the shape of the different elements in the story suggests that person is not necessarily giving an accurate account).

    CNN also reported that former vice president Mike Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, testified before the January 6 committee last week. Short had been cooperating with the committee, providing documents, and testified after a subpoena. He was with Pence for many of the key moments surrounding the events of January 6.

    The committee has asked a judge to adjust document production from lawyer John Eastman’s former employer, Chapman University. Eastman sued to stop a subpoena for 94,000 pages of emails the university agreed to produce, saying that many of them were covered by attorney-client privilege. So a judge ordered him to review them, but he is moving so slowly the committee says he won’t get around to sending the ones between January 4, 2021, and January 7, 2021—the ones the members most want to see—until it’s too late for them to be of use. The judge ordered him to prioritize those days.

    Also, campaign finance reports filed today show that former president George W. Bush donated the maximum allowable to Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY), who is vice chair of the January 6 committee, and to Senator Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), who also opposed former president Trump. The fight between establishment Republicans and Trump Republicans continues to simmer, but the muted response today to Trump’s statement last night about overturning the election suggests the establishment is not willing to make a stand in favor of our democratic system if it means losing their base.

    In the wake of Trump’s weekend attack on the prosecutors investigating the varying valuations of his properties and his efforts to overturn the election, Fulton County, Georgia, district attorney Fani Willis today asked the FBI to address heightened security concerns.

    Otherwise, today’s main news came from the meeting of the United Nations Security Council, where the U.S. ambassador, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, warned of an “urgent and dangerous” situation in Europe as Russian president Vladimir Putin has massed more than 100,000 Russian troops along the border with Ukraine. The Russian representative countered that Russia had indicated no intention of invading Ukraine and the U.S. is fearmongering.

    At stake is the concept of sovereignty: will large states have the power to absorb their neighbors into spheres of influence in a system that mirrors that of the Cold War era, or will each state have the right to hold firm borders and determine its own alliances.

    The U.S. and the U.K. have said they have prepared a list of “oligarchs close to the Kremlin” who will be hit with sanctions in the case that Russian troops invade Ukraine again. The list includes the family members of those profiting from Putin’s regime, cutting off their ability to funnel illicit money into western democracies.

    This is a huge deal. Oligarchs consolidated power in the former Soviet satellite states in the 1990s and moved enormous amounts of illicit money into the U.S. and the U.K.—so much that London is sometimes called “Londongrad.” Recent studies suggest that the influx of that illicit money had undermined democracy, and cleaning it up would almost certainly help to stabilize the systems in the U.S. and the U.K. British foreign secretary Liz Truss said the measures “can target anyone providing strategic support close to Vladimir Putin.”

    This threat appears to have worried the Kremlin, whose spokesperson Dmitry Peskov called the proposed measures an illegitimate “outright attack on business.” The head of Russia’s Senate committee for protection of national sovereignty, Andrey Klimov, said that any such sanctions would hurt Britain rather than Russia by hurting the image of the U.K. as a safe haven for investments. Capital would flow out of the U.K. to Hong Kong or Zurich, he warned.

    Interviewed by Politico’s Ryan Heath, European Council on Foreign Relations senior fellow Kadri Liik noted that a massive military deployment would be “very badly received” in Russia. Asked if Putin sees Biden as weak, Liik said the opposite: that he has come off as smart. “He's trying to limit his frontlines. He's not fighting each and every battle. Plus, Biden is someone who can speak on behalf of the West. During the whole Trump period, there was no one like that.”

    In Britain today, Prime Minister Boris Johnson of the country’s Conservative Party faced a serious challenge to his government when a report revealed “failures of leadership and judgment” by Johnson in attending 12 parties that ignored the country’s strict lockdown rules. Johnson had downplayed the events and now that they are confirmed, even much of his own party appears ready to abandon him, appalled that he apparently considered himself above the law. In a leader, one member of Parliament said, “honesty and decency matters.”
    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

  • #2
    Re: Ukraine

    Putin is an a$$hole and Ukraine deserves freedom, but...

    Originally posted by George Jung
    At stake is the concept of sovereignty: will large states have the power to absorb their neighbors into spheres of influence in a system that mirrors that of the Cold War era, or will each state have the right to hold firm borders and determine its own alliances.
    Like Iraq and Afghanistan could determine their own alliances over the past two decades?

    Or like Latin American countries are free to do so today?

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    • #3
      Re: Ukraine

      My understanding is that Russians are already in the Ukraine out of uniform, preparing to perform acts of sabotage. As I understand it, this is how they took half of Berlin.
      "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

      "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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      • #4
        Re: Ukraine

        Not sure why those finances weren't targeted, permanently, a long time ago.
        There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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        • #5
          Re: Ukraine

          Because there two sides to every transaction, and money to be made?

          Because London would shrivel up and become affordable?

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          • #6
            Re: Ukraine

            4 page thread about the Ukraine here: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...-Closer-to-war
            "If it ain't broke, you're not trying." - Red Green

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            • #7
              Re: Ukraine

              So now it's 5.

              After war starts it will be dozens.

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              • #8
                Re: Ukraine

                Or we could have another dozen threads a day about US politics and how horrible the Republicans are...

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                • #9
                  Re: Ukraine

                  Pounding most of Russia into the 18th century would be a big step forward for most of the country.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ukraine

                    They are rather like the Confederacy - keeps rising from the ashes, intent on changing history.
                    There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ukraine

                      Originally posted by George.
                      Putin is an a$$hole and Ukraine deserves freedom, but...



                      Like Iraq and Afghanistan could determine their own alliances over the past two decades?

                      Or like Latin American countries are free to do so today?
                      shhh, can’t bring that up when we’re talking about scary nefarious actors challenging our supremacy.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ukraine

                        Originally posted by George.
                        Or we could have another dozen threads a day about US politics and how horrible the Republicans are...
                        how about favorite funghi?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ukraine

                          Originally posted by Jim Mahan
                          As if anyone anywhere would tell anyone they were about to invade.
                          Russia has already invaded Ukraine, Georgia, and Nagorno-Karabakh.

                          If Kazakhstan rebels and declares independence, Russia will need to invade there as well. If they could swing it, Belarus . . . then the Baltic states . . . Poland . . .
                          Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

                          Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ukraine

                            Putin wants to rebuild the glory of the USSR. Nobody can be surprised by this.

                            At the end of WWI the allies extracted punitive concessions from the losers. Those concessions are widely agreed to have led to WWII.

                            At the end of WWII the allies rebuilt Japan and Germany so that today they are major allies.

                            What did we (Ronald Reagan) do to rebuild Russia after winning the Cold War? Why did we not learn the lesson from history that either we helped rebuild it as a modern democratic state, or the old forces would reassert themselves?
                            "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

                            "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

                            "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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                            • #15
                              Re: Ukraine

                              Originally posted by CWSmith
                              What did we (Ronald Reagan) do to rebuild Russia after winning the Cold War? Why did we not learn the lesson from history that either we helped rebuild it as a modern democratic state, or the old forces would reassert themselves?
                              That. Only substitute "the West" for Ray-gun.

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