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    “Pogroms?”

    IMAGINES VEL NON FUERINT

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      Originally posted by heimlaga
      The Danish navy reported .
      And the Swedes and Flight Radar tracked US helicopters flying for an entire night over the same area.......or did you forget?

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        [QUOTE=Andrew Craig-Bennett;6864021]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

        “Pogroms?”


        Pogrom is not just used to describe a massacre, but also the removal of an entire group of people, in this case Chaggossians.

        The UK and the US are still in breach of that International Law you believe everyone else is supposed to stick to.

        Everytime a US spokesman quotes "rule of law and international norms".....more people laugh at the US. The only thing the UK/US has done is set a long precedent of breaking international law for others to follow, rather than setting a good example.

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          Originally posted by skuthorp
          Historical whataboutism. .
          It is not historical if the situation is valid today at this time, which is the situation.

          US is still in Iraq after admitting the invasion was based on false premise. Instead of apologizing and leaving, there are now multi-national oil interests and the US has plans to build a permanent military base in the only part of the country that has always been peacefull.

          US army is in Syria protecting a corporations oil wells while stealing the mineral wealth from the Syrian people.

          The US routinely brushes aside rulings made by the UN, while again quoting other nations of breaching "law and international norms", its pathetic.

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          • Re: Ukraine

            But America is 'exceptional' Johan…………….. And like to or not given the choice between Russia/China, and the Western Alliance such as it is, its the best we've got.

            I don't use 'United States' because it isn't, and it's still whataboutism.

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              Originally posted by sandtown
              Can you possibly still be peddling that silly line ??
              He can not help it. He admits to having been bought up in a fearful anti-Russian environment. He is incapable of clear critical thought if anything Russian is involved. He is damaged goods. He could help his case by providing evidence of any of his claims, but he never does. The fact HE believes them, is enough, everyone else is wrong, because only he claims to know the Russians. Sad, sad man.

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                I guess that makes russian soldiers acting like a pack of mongrel street dogs OK then.

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                  Giving your invading army carte blanche was seen as the only way of keeping control of ill disciplined troops.

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                  • Re: Ukraine

                    Originally posted by skuthorp
                    But America is 'exceptional' Johan……………..

                    I don't use 'United States' because it isn't, and it's still whataboutism.
                    No, its not either of those things. Look at history if that is what you want to bring up. How many "exceptional" nations have come and gone? They are exceptional until they are not.

                    Rule of law exists, or it does not. Held to account under law, or not. Cant have it both ways.

                    "whataboutism" is a term used by people who do not want to look at their own behaviour ,but only that of the side they wish to paint as the problem. Russia has broken lots of International agreements, Human Rights abuses, war crimes etc etc, but the US is doing the same thing, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

                    It is no different from the Holy Priest who lectures an entire congregation in Church about everything that is good and Holy, and then repeatedly raping the young choir boys. Makes me sick to the stomach.

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                    • Re: Ukraine

                      Originally posted by Nicholas Carey
                      That's not Putin's stated aims in the least. He made his case quite clearly (despite the abysmal writing) regarding his view of Ukraine — it has no right to exist and is properly a part of Russia.

                      You might want to read it.

                      http://en.kremlin.ru/catalog/countries/UA/events/66181

                      Thanks, interesting. easy to read and Im no scholar or political expert . There is nothing in it about territorial aspiration and he doesnt say it has no right to exist, quite the contrary. His focus is on the shared history.
                      whatever rocks your boat

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                        Originally posted by Paul G.
                        Thanks, interesting. easy to read and Im no scholar or political expert . There is nothing in it about territorial aspiration and he doesnt say it has no right to exist, quite the contrary. His focus is on the shared history.
                        Crikey.

                        Whatever “Paul G” really is, it is another “Johan” or whatever that sock puppet is. I’ve given it the benefit of the doubt and tried to reason with it, but this shows that there is no point.

                        It is worth noting that the three Kremlin inspired sock puppets present here become hyper active whenever their master does something particularly shameful.
                        IMAGINES VEL NON FUERINT

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                        • Re: Ukraine

                          Originally posted by Paul G.
                          You are making or simply repeating assumptions about Russia intentions, the first being that they want to add territory for its own sake. Their 3 stated aims were to protect Russian speakers in the Donbass and eastern Ukr, de militarise and de nazify.
                          Only one of these intents (demilitarization) was at least remotely true. Denazification was entirely made up, with fairytales on right wing extremism spread around since 2014. Ukrainians speaking russian are a tool, not a goal. Terrain currently controlled is already greater than that population. Most of that 'liberated' population fled. Protecting is their old song, and is sung as falsely as it always was.

                          Under these circumstances, the Soviet Government has directed the High Command of the Red Army to order troops to cross the frontier and to take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. — People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the U.S.S.R. V. Molotov, 17 September 1939
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                            Originally posted by WszystekPoTrochu
                            Denazification was entirely made up, with fairytales on right wing extremism spread around since 2014.



                            NATO quickly deleted a tweet yesterday ..........

                            Rupa Subramanya on Twitter: "NATO quickly deleted a tweet yesterday that featured a photo of a Ukrainian soldier wearing the Neo-Nazi Black sun patch. Remember we're constantly told that neo Nazis in Ukraine are an insignificant fringe and if you point to it, you're a Putin stooge or worse." / Twitter

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                            • Re: Ukraine

                              This is Lyudmilla Savchuck, former colleague of our trolls, Google her and you could learn something about the working methods of the St Petersburg criminals.
                              Lyudmilla Savchuk.jpg

                              It's pretty obvious that the great leader has ordered to step up the influencing/manipulating campaign in order to support the denazification process in Ukraine.
                              And bye the way you better ignore the predictable efforts to ridicule or criminalize her

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                              • Re: Ukraine

                                And for those who still think sanctions are draining Russia of money and resources and that Europe is a united front against an evil empire, please inform yourselfs.

                                Sanctions on Russia may not be working, we now know why | Russia-Ukraine war | Al Jazeera

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