Ukraine

[Johan R]

Re: Ukraine

And here is everywhere in the area that streetview does work. The border crossing is at the top of the pic, and Gravoron at the bottom.
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I'm not sure I'd rule out a specific building being present based on this, but you can definitely have a good look around.
Streetview in Google maps is essentially turned off for this part of the world.
Pete

That leaves a lot of places you can not "look around". Even here in Sweden, there are many many non "street view" roads. The drone footage looked like it matched the building and vehicles, but no independent journalists have been at that site.

Anything can be manipulated. Going forward AI is going to be used extensively for propaganda purposes, if not already.

Google earth has not refreshed my location for several years, so, how to keep up with fresh craters?

[WX]

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stealing from the dead.

[Hallam]

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Well if he has ammunition? Anything else that may be needed , binoculars rations if they are scarce, map compass? ID if it needs collecting to notify next of kin. It is a war, Too hard to know details. They might want to send the watch back home to his kid or they might be looting. War is a $h!t show poor bastards human life de valued everywhere you look because stupids want to play a power game as long as the serfs are on the front line and do the fighting! What a waste of life and mental health!

[dutchpp]

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Sweden is letting Ukrainian pilots train on the Gripen fighter jet.
With the long range Meteor missiles these Gripen jets offer new possibilities for the Ukrainian airforce.
gripen.jpg

[George Jung]

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Apparently the ruskies are using 'old school' bombs, launched from planes, to attack Ukraine, and they are (for whatever reason) more difficult to shoot down. I would imagine the answer lies in F-16's and others, to shoot down the launching planes.

[sandtown]

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Here is another post with which I disagree . . .

Feffer's arguments are thin, which it to say, not well supported.

But anyway, here they are . . ..

(In the past I have written for FPIF)

https://fpif.org/the-surprising-pervasiveness-of-american-arrogance/?emci=4013a695-7cfa-ed11-907c-00224832eb73&emdi=aa0e16de-0cfb-ed11-907c-00224832eb73&ceid=4062204

[sandtown]

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Here is the most recent statement of Vets For Peace on the war in Ukraine . . .

I agree with it.

Statement on the War in Ukraine
Adopted by the VFP National Board


April 15, 2023


Veterans For Peace is an organization of military veterans and allies who use our
experiences and lift our collective voice in an effort to build a culture of peace. We
inform the public of the true causes of war and the enormous costs of wars and
highlight our obligation to heal the wounds of wars.
As the fighting and dying in Ukraine continues with no visible end, we at Veterans For
Peace call on the American people, President Biden and the Congress to end this evil
and terrible war against humanity.
We call for an end to the suffering of Ukrainian civilians under siege, and the damage
to millions of refugees. We call for a congressional investigation into the destruction
of the Nordstream pipelines and the militarization of Europe. We must stop the war-
related food shortages in Africa and the war’s devastation of the environment and all
living things, contributing to the existential threat of climate catastrophe.
We are angry about the waste of resources needed here at home for healthcare, social
services, adequate housing and education that instead are used for death and
destruction abroad. We are especially alarmed by the growing possibility of a nuclear
war, which could bring a horrifying end to all living things on this planet.
In the face of these compounding disasters and threats, the world’s people are
confronted by the apparent readiness of Russia, Ukraine, the United States and NATO
to continue this war.
Veterans For Peace has consistently expressed our opposition to Russia’s invasion of
Ukraine. War is never an answer, especially in our age of nuclear proliferation. And
we remain opposed to U.S./NATO moves that set the stage for this war: surrounding
rival Russia with hostile military forces and nuclear weapons systems and supporting
the 2014 coup in Ukraine and attacks on Russian-speaking populations in eastern
Ukraine. The Biden administration has escalated this war by sending more and more
lethal weaponry to Ukraine, while blocking negotiations that might have ended
hostilities earlier. The United States is pursuing its own war against Russia, if not to
defeat it militarily, then to “weaken Russia,” as stated by U.S. Defense Secretary
Lloyd Austin.
As veterans who have experienced the carnage of war, we feel great empathy for the young
soldiers on both sides of this bloody war, who are being killed and injured in the tens of
thousands. We know all too well that the survivors of armed conflict will be traumatized and
scarred for life.
We demand urgent, good faith diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine, not more U.S. weapons,
advisors, and endless war. And certainly not a nuclear war. We want those billions of dollars
going for climate correction, jobs, healthcare and housing, not for the profiteers who
manufacture weapons for death and destruction.
As soldiers who participated in U.S. wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, we support
war resisters, including Conscientious Objectors, draft resisters, deserters and all who refuse to
participate in killing other human beings. We encourage U.S. military personnel to examine their
consciences and refuse to participate in training, arming, advising or directly engaging in this and
other wars of empire. The United States must end its many interventions and withdraw our
troops from over 850 military bases around the world. We demand an end to the alarming U.S.
preparations for war with China.
It is time to drop the weapons and embrace diplomacy and peace. For the people of Ukraine, the
people of Russia, the people of Europe, the United States and China. For the children, for the
civilians, for the soldiers, for all living things: We demand Diplomacy, Not War. We demand
Peace in Ukraine.


Susan Schnall, President
Veterans For Peace

[Lew Barrett]

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The interesting thing about this counterpunch (its not really big enough to be considered an offensive) is that it did not involve any of the western gear Ukraine has received. However Dennis is showing video of Bradleys in action. Stefan Korshak recently noticed the increase in Russian artillery casualties first reported on this forum a month ago.

Well if he has ammunition? Anything else that may be needed , binoculars rations if they are scarce, map compass? ID if it needs collecting to notify next of kin. It is a war, Too hard to know details. They might want to send the watch back home to his kid or they might be looting. War is a $h!t show poor bastards human life de valued everywhere you look because stupids want to play a power game as long as the serfs are on the front line and do the fighting! What a waste of life and mental health!

Marauding is a standard feature of Russian armies and has been for centuries. From the video it looks like all that was wanted was the watch. Stealing watches was the number one crime of Russian troops during WWIi.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/06/28/army-of-marauders-the-long-history-of-russian-military-looting-pillaging-and-stealing/

[Peerie Maa]

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Statement on the War in Ukraine
Adopted by the VFP National Board
April 15, 2023
We demand urgent, good faith diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine, not more U.S. weapons,
advisors, and endless war. And certainly not a nuclear war. We want those billions of dollars
going for climate correction, jobs, healthcare and housing, not for the profiteers who
manufacture weapons for death and destruction.

Fairy Nuff.

But this:

not more U.S. weapons, advisors, and endless war.

would result in Ukraine losing. Do they really want that on their collective conscience?
This :

We demand urgent, good faith diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine,

demonstrates a lot of wishful thinking and naivety, if they think that Pootin will negotiate in good faith. He lied before sending troops over the border, and has not stopped since.

[johnw]

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I'm sure demanding good faith diplomacy of the Russians will produce quick results, especially if they are encouraged by seeing their opponents disarmed unilaterally. Not.

[WX]

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It's possibly just escalated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-26/russia-moves-ahead-with-deployment-of-tactical-nuclear-weapons/102395632

Russia has moved ahead with a plan to deploy tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, whose leader said the warheads were already on the move, in the Kremlin's first deployment of such bombs outside Russia since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union.Key points:

• The plan for the nuclear deployment was announced by Mr Putin ion March
• The US has warned that use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in the conflict would be met with "severe consequences"
• The US believes Russia has around 2,000 tactical nuclear warheads

The US State Department denounced the deployment plan but said Washington had no intention of altering its position on strategic nuclear weapons and had not seen any signs Russia was preparing to use a nuclear weapon.

[Peerie Maa]

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It's possibly just escalated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...pons/102395632

Well, with good satellite imagery of those trenches, conventional weapons can be delivered to obliterate every trench and its occupants, should the USA chose to do so.

[Hallam]

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......and there is a lot of talk of an internal uprising against Lukashenco, and if so an ex Polish Army General has stated Poland would support it. An example"
Ex-army chief says Poland must prepare for uprising in Belarus

[epoxyboy]

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It's possibly just escalated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...pons/102395632

Mr Shoigu said that Iskander-M missiles, which can carry conventional or nuclear warheads, had been handed to the Belarusian armed forces, and some Su-25 aircraft had been converted for the possible use of nuclear weapons.

"Belarusian servicemen have received the necessary training," Mr Shoigu was quoted as saying by his ministry.

Smells like Belarus being set up to be the nuclear fall-guy IMO. Here, have some smallish bombs, have some delivery systems, oh, and don't forget the training - most important so you can do it yourselves.
Otherwise, why wouldn't these systems be crewed by Russian servicemen?

Pete

[gypsie]

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....And
we remain opposed to U.S./NATO moves that set the stage for this war: surrounding
rival Russia with hostile military forces and nuclear weapons systems and supporting
the 2014 coup in Ukraine and attacks on Russian-speaking populations in eastern
Ukraine.

Utter BS

That Lithuania or Poland or Finland wants to defend themselves is not a fabrication of the USA but a fabrication of Russia. Russia surrounded itself with NATO.
Now Russia has invaded a NATO neighbouring country with extreme violence and aggression toward military and civilian populations. Violence not seen in Europe for 70 years, and NATO allies are rightly concerned that it is contained. Again, a fabrication of Russia's - nobody else's.

VFP are naive fools.


Lukanshenco getting nukes is probably a deal by him to have the means to protect his own ass against Putin. In return Putin gets to flex some nuke muscles in the only way he can without inviting destruction of Russia as he knows it.