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  • Re: Ukraine

    A rather inconclusive Youtube was. all I could find, but there could be something in it.

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      Stefan Korshak’s report for yesterday:

      IMAGINES VEL NON FUERINT

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        There must be some amazing spherical objects attached to those disaffected Russians in Belgorod, full marks to them. I can see what Ukraine gets out of this, obviously the Russian military has to spend more resources guarding their borders thus diluting their defence elsewhere, and it's a public relations disaster for Putin and his army. The commanders of the incursion presumably have political ambitions, but what do the grunts hope to get out of it? They can't seriously think that they'll ever see an independent Belgorod? How were they convinced to cross the border into Russia?
        Dwedais "Gwirion", nid "Twp"

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        • Re: Ukraine

          And as to that vid of a younger Zelensky I posted above, the sender declines to provide any information about when, where and how it was made.

          No provenance in other words.

          So I have to conclude that it is some sort of fake.

          I apologise for posting it - please ignore it.

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          • Re: Ukraine

            The ISW Russian offensive campaign assessment, May 23.
            Russian authorities ended the “counterterrorism” operation in Belgorod Oblast and claimed to have defeated the all-Russian pro-Ukrainian Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and the Freedom of Russia Legion (LSR) in the region on May 23. The Russian Ministry of


            Key Takeaways
            • Russian authorities ended the “counterterrorism” operation in Belgorod Oblast and claimed to have defeated the all-Russian pro-Ukrainian Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and the Freedom of Russia Legion (LSR) in the region on May 23.
            • Russian forces likely pushed the RDK and LSR forces at least to the Kozinka border settlement and possibly out of Russian territory as of May 23.
            • Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted raids across the Kharkiv-Belgorod border on May 23, but ISW has observed no confirmation that these raids occurred.
            • Ukrainian officials stated that the pace of fighting in the Bakhmut direction has decreased amid continued limited Ukrainian counterattacks on Bakhmut’s flanks on May 23.
            • Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
            • Russian forces continued offensive operations on the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
            • Russian forces continued defensive operations in southern Ukraine ahead of the planned Ukrainian counteroffensive.
            • Pardoned Wagner Group convicts continue to commit crimes in Russia after finishing their military contracts with Wagner.
            • Zaporizhia Oblast occupation officials announced the start of preliminary voting for the ruling United Russia party.

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            • Re: Ukraine

              Originally posted by CollinR
              They can't seriously think that they'll ever see an independent Belgorod? How were they convinced to cross the border into Russia?
              They understand that the best way to a better russia is putin losing his job. The best way for that is Ukraine winning
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              • Re: Ukraine

                "Pardoned Wagner Group convicts continue to commit crimes in Russia after finishing their military contracts with Wagner."

                Whatever the ethics of releasing criminals to fight for the cancellation of their sentences, I doubt that if they survive long enough to be discharged, there are many legal opportunities for employment available, other than rejoining the private army.

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                • Re: Ukraine

                  Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett
                  Stefan Korshak’s report for yesterday:

                  https://medium.com/@Stefan.Korshak/d...s-b89b31a60384
                  Interesting read.
                  Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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                  • Re: Ukraine

                    Originally posted by ERGR
                    Interesting news coming out of Ukraine, or rather Russia. The Russian region Belgorod has been invaded by Russians, and so far the invasion is successful. The problem for Kreml is that the invading Russians are "free Russians" who have been fighting on the Ukrainian side in the war. The invading Russians communicate that they have come home to liberate Russia.
                    The question no one is asking. How does a Russian Nationalist group get to be in possession of M1224 MaxxPro armoured vehicles and Humvees?

                    This is American armour being used by Russian-on -Russian, and some people will see this as aiding terrorism. What has been the news response in the US?

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                    • Re: Ukraine

                      Originally posted by Johan R
                      The question no one is asking. How does a Russian Nationalist group get to be in possession of M1224 MaxxPro armoured vehicles and Humvees?

                      This is American armour being used by Russian-on -Russian, and some people will see this as aiding terrorism. What has been the news response in the US?
                      You might want to read this.
                      Without freedom of speech, we wouldn't know who the idiots are.

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                      • Re: Ukraine

                        Ukraine has a free press, subject to operational security.
                        IMAGINES VEL NON FUERINT

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                        • Re: Ukraine

                          Originally posted by WX
                          Interesting. But not address the issue of the vehicles used. Last nights news had Zelensky denying any knowledge of it, but US arms and equipment are signed over to his government. So either he is lying or his subordinates have no control of equipment, or the US is providing forces inside Ukraine without the governments knowledge.

                          Most likely Zelensky being non-commital, but, did not his government sighn a deal with the US that equipment was for defence of Ukraine, and not to be used "in Russia". ?

                          Hence the question, what news from the US? Seems Ukraine is putting the US in an awkward position.

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                          • Re: Ukraine

                            BBC now reporting the US trying to distance itself from this attack.



                            Ukraine war: US distances itself from Belgorod incursion into Russia - BBC News

                            Clearly, if the photos are not fake, the US HAS enabled attacks inside Russia.

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                            • Re: Ukraine

                              <yawn>
                              Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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                              • Re: Ukraine

                                France 24 confirming the BBC viewpoint, along with an interview with Ilya Ponmarev of the Freedom of Russia Legion, who states Kyiv had knowledge before the action was taken.

                                Given that Congress was divided on supplying F16 as they could be used "in Russia", apart from propaganda purposes, I see this as a potential mistake. If Ukraine had seized so much Russian transport abandoned by retreating Russians, then why the use of US armour, at the risk and the actual event of making America make statements that reflect badly on them?

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