More Republican Party Fracturing

[David G]

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Republicans turn on each other amid post-Roe chaos

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/republicans-turn-on-each-other-amid-post-roe-chaos-00050417

[john welsford]

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I can only speculate on this one. I think maybe the incessant drumbeat of the 1/6 hearings are seeping into the gestalt, sapping the enthusiasm of the grassroots, non-Maga-Maniac faction of R's.


Republicans Confront Unexpected Online Money Slowdown

Online fundraising has slowed across much of the Republican Party in recent months, an unusual pullback of small donors that has set off a mad rush among Republican political operatives to understand why — and reverse the sudden decline before it damages the party’s chances this fall.

Small-dollar donations typically increase as an election nears. But just the opposite has happened in recent months across a wide range of Republican entities, including every major party committee and former President Donald Trump’s political operation.

The total amount donated online fell more than 12% across all federal Republican campaigns and committees in the second quarter compared with the first quarter, according to an analysis of federal records from WinRed, the main online Republican donation-processing portal.

More alarming for Republicans: Democratic contributions surged at the same time. Total federal donations on ActBlue, the Democratic counterpart, jumped more than 21%.

The overall Democratic fundraising edge online widened by $100 million from the last quarter of 2021 to the most recent three-month period, records show.
Exacerbating the fundraising problems for Republicans is that Trump continues to be the party’s dominant fundraiser and yet virtually none of the tens of millions of dollars he has raised has gone toward defeating Democrats. Instead, the money has funded his political team and retribution agenda against Republicans who have crossed him....

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/26/us/politics/online-fundraising-republicans-democrats.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republica...120500075.html

Many of these donors wont have a lot of discretionary income, so every dollar that goes in Trumps direction is a dollar thats not available to support other republicans, so maybe that should be subtly encouraged.
I'm sure that the raid on Mar a Lago will help in that respect, I see he's already begging for cash. Again. Still.

John Welsford

[David G]

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Ousted Republican reflects on Trump, democracy and America: ‘The place has lost its mind’


He identifies as “pro-life”, sees the US constitution as being inspired by God, and voted for Trump in the 2020 election. “I campaigned for Trump, I went to his rallies, I stood up on the stage with him,” he said.

Somewhere along the line, though, things started to come unstuck. A rift opened up between his old-school Republican values and those of a new cadre of activists who were energized by Trump and his embrace of conspiracy theories and strongman politics.

In hindsight, Bowers now recognizes that the opening shots of the conflict were fired not around the 2020 presidential election but earlier in the year, in the initial days of Covid. Trump-fanatical Republicans in the Arizona house displayed in their anti-mask antics the same disdain for the rules, the same bullying style, that was later to erupt in the stolen election furor.

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He gathered a group of trusted lawyers and went to investigate the counting process close up. “I saw incredible amounts of protocols that were followed and signed off by volunteers – Democrats, Republicans, independents. Yes, Republicans for crying out loud! And they did it by the book.”

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I asked Bowers whether, through all this, he had ever doubted his strength to stand up to the onslaught. Were his values tested?

“I never had the thought of giving up,” he said. “No way. I don’t like bullies. That’s one constant in my life: I. Do. Not. Like. Bullies.”

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Bowers said he remains optimistic that the party will one day find its way back on to the rails. He draws succor from the many people who have come up to him since his defeat telling him – quietly, so that nobody can hear – that they admire him and back him.

“It’s not like I’m alone in the wilderness. There’s a lot of people from all over the United States thanking me.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/20/rusty-bowers-interview-trump-arizona-republicans

[David G]

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Colo. Senator Says He 'Cannot Continue' to Be a Republican Due to Party's Jan. 6, Stolen Election Claims

https://people.com/politics/colorado-state-senator-leaves-republican-party-denounces-trump/

[Boatbum]

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Colo. Senator Says He 'Cannot Continue' to Be a Republican Due to Party's Jan. 6, Stolen Election Claims

https://people.com/politics/colorado...nounces-trump/

Ya, but that is cherry picking.....

More have switched to Republican that to Democrat

As of August 2022, Ballotpedia staff have counted 156 state legislators who have switched parties since 1994. Ballotpedia has counted 41 state senators who have switched parties and 115 state representatives.
Number of state lawmakers who switched from Democrat to Republican: 76

• State senators: 22
• State representatives: 54

Number of state lawmakers who switched from Republican to Democrat: 21

• State senators: 6
• State representatives: 15

In the past two years it's about even.......

Democrat to Republican:

• 2020 – Jason Barrett, West Virginia State Representative^[113]
• 2021 – Vernon Jones, Georgia State Representative^[114]
• 2021 – John Jay Lee, North Las Vegas Mayor^[115]
• 2021 – Mick Bates, West Virginia State Delegate^[116]
• 2021 – Ryan Guillen, Texas State Representative^[117]
• 2022 – Mike Sullivan, former U.S. Ambassador to Ireland (1998–2001) and Governor of Wyoming (1987–1995)^[118]

^{Republican to Democrat:}

• 2020 – David Tubiolo, while Westchester County, NY Legislator^[264]
• 2020 – Frank Aguilar, member of the Cook County Board of Commissioners. Previously served in the Illinois House of Representatives^[265]
• 2021 – William Marsh, New Hampshire State Representative^[266]
• 2021 – Joy Hofmeister, Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction^[267]
• 2022 – Jim Leach, former U.S. Representative from Iowa (1977–2007)^[268]
• 2022 – Kevin Priola, Colorado State Senator^[269]

[George Jung]

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By all appearances, 'a tell'. Those individuals inclined to lying, conspiracy theories, hanging on to power regardless the cost - will naturally gravitate to the Republican party.

Rather like what we saw with the old Dixiecrats.

[David G]

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7 more Republican leaders endorse Democrat Josh Shapiro for Pennsylvania governor, following news of GOP candidate Doug Mastriano wearing a Confederate military uniform


Seven more Republican leaders have announced their endorsement for Pennsylvania's Democratic candidate for governor Josh Shapiro, following photos of GOP state Sen. Doug Mastriano wearing a Confederate military uniform.

This comes one month after nine Republicans vowed to support the Democratic candidate and called Mastriano an "extremist" who threatens American democracy.

According to a statement released by the Shapiro campaign on Tuesday, the group includes Michael Chertoff, the former US Secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush, and Mario Civera, a former state representative.

https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-endorse-shapiro-following-mastriano-confederate-uniform-2022-8

[David G]

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Even Biden has publicly recognized the divisions within the Rparty --

According to President Biden, “MAGA Republicans” are a growing danger to American democracy and an extremist faction of a once-principled political party, a radical movement with unpopular, unworkable ideas.

[Boatbum]

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Even Biden has publicly recognized the divisions within the Rparty --

According to President Biden, “MAGA Republicans” are a growing danger to American democracy and an extremist faction of a once-principled political party, a radical movement with unpopular, unworkable ideas.

Shocking! a Democrat with mid-terms approaching sees divisions in the GOP. I guess his "Ultra MAGA" meme never caught on.

[David G]

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New evidence shows GOP’s Trump problem may be getting worse


Trump remains overwhelmingly popular among Republican voters, but he’s just as unpopular with Democrats, and there is a growing body of evidence that he is losing more support from independent swing voters as he grapples with a slew of investigations.

A new NBC News poll released Sunday found just 34 percent of registered voters said they have a positive view of Trump, compared to 54 percent who said they have a negative view of him. That’s the lowest Trump has polled in NBC’s survey since April 2021.

While Trump has defended himself since the FBI conducted a search of his Mar-a-Lago estate for classified records, the controversy appears to be hurting him.

A Quinnipiac University poll conducted in late August found half of Americans think Trump should be prosecuted over his handling of classified documents after leaving the White House, including 52 percent of independent voters.

An NPR-Marist poll released on Sept. 7 found 67 percent of independents say they don’t want him to run for president again.

And in another indictment of Trump’s standing with moderate voters, a New York Times-Siena survey conducted earlier in September found him trailing President Biden in a hypothetical rematch by 3 percentage points, despite just 39 percent of independents in that poll saying they approve of Biden’s job performance.

“These candidates have to fight kind of two-fold battles,” said John Thomas, a Republican strategist. “Can you move your base turnout margin ever so slightly? I think Trump has utility there. And can you win with independent swing voters on issues that aren’t Trump-related?”

Trump won’t be on the ballot this fall, but he’s closely associated with GOP Senate candidates Herschel Walker, Blake Masters, J.D. Vance and Mehmet Oz, all of whom got across the finish line in their respective Senate primaries with the former president’s support.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3651178-new-evidence-shows-gops-trump-problem-may-be-getting-worse/

The fracture line seems to be mostly developing along the issue of 'mindlessly loyal to tRump' or 'not'.

[Osborne Russell]

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. . . there is a growing body of evidence that he is losing more support from independent swing voters . . . The fracture line seems to be mostly developing along the issue of 'mindlessly loyal to tRump' or 'not'.

These so-called independent swing voters were and remain mindless. They made this fiasco possible. Where, in the "growing body of evidence", is there evidence that their views have changed in any respect other than, "Trump is damaged, we need a new Trump to vote for"?

If that's a fracture, it isn't worth much.

[Garret]

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These so-called independent swing voters were and remain mindless. They made this fiasco possible. Where, in the "growing body of evidence", is there evidence that their views have changed in any respect other than, "Trump is damaged, we need a new Trump to vote for"?

If that's a fracture, it isn't worth much.

I talked to one the other day. Yes he voted for Trump, but said there was no way he could vote for Clinton. I asked why & he (a rural Vermonter) said "She could care less about rural America & I couldn't vote for someone who feels that way". This far from mindless man went on to say that he would've voted for Bernie in the election & did in the primary.

Of course this is anecdotal, but yet another example (I've talked to dozens) of a person who the DNC lumps with the Bernie Bros - but is in fact a "Won't vote for most Dems" voter and is not a "faithless" Dem.

Thinking of these people as "mindless" is a big mistake.

[George Jung]

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I suspect the 'mindless' label comes from those folks who, 'unable' to vote for HRC, then voted for TFG who has absolutely no interest in them or their concerns. But at least it wasn't for Hillary.

That is mindless.

[Garret]

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I suspect the 'mindless' label comes from those folks who, 'unable' to vote for HRC, then voted for TFG who has absolutely no interest in them or their concerns. But at least it wasn't for Hillary.

That is mindless.

First time - I don't think so. Second? Maybe so - but remember that these folks believe HRC had no interest in them or their concerns. I disagree, but will say that she had very little interest in them.

[Tom Montgomery]

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Speaking of Republican Party fracturing, I think a Republican legislator warning that Republican legislation becoming law would result in Fascism applies.