More Republican Party Fracturing

[David G]

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[Tom Montgomery]

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Exactly. The GOP is dead and no longer exists... apart from a handful of traditionalists who are the exception to the rule and are being rapidly purged.

Those who revere the unique American experiment of a democratic republic must face facts: the 20th century GOP was been transmogrified to the 21st century GQP that is a fascist personality cult.

Know your enemy.
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[skuthorp]

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I agree that - within a political context - there seems to be insufficient will on the R's part to buck tRump.

OTOH... I can't tell you how often a single event, or series of events, and dramatically shift public opinion and political support. I cant see now how that would look... but then I never can. Hard to predict what the catalyst for such inflection points will be. Not at all predictable... but don't write off the possibility.

I'm not sure what you mean, though by 'The law no longer applies'. It appears to me as if the legal system is currently grinding its slow way toward some sort of accounting.

But it won't catch donald because the judicial system, being politically loaded at the top, will not want to.

[Tom Montgomery]

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But it won't catch donald because the judicial system, being politically loaded at the top, will not want to.

The state judicial rulings that in every case dismissed lawsuits attempting to overturn the 2020 election results contradict your opinion.

[Garret]

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But it won't catch donald because the judicial system, being politically loaded at the top, will not want to.

To explain Tom's comments further - it's not the top that's going after him - it's states. They are free to prosecute no matter what the "top" says. Sure, Trump could appeal a loss to the Supreme Court, but even his lackeys on it won't reverse a ruling on something well documented & upheld by lower courts. I believe this is why prosecutors are taking so long - dotting every T & crossing every I.

[oznabrag]

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But it won't catch donald because the judicial system, being politically loaded at the top, will not want to.

I'm beginning to think you must be projecting your own corruption onto the US.

In my opinion, it is clear that if the Trumpista movement is allowed to live, the US Constitution must die, and I think that truth is revealing itself to more and more people all the time.

If Donny Doodoo is allowed to skate, there will be no room for the suspension of disbelief necessary to continue this republic.

I think we have a very good chance of pulling through with our ideals intact and our malefactors in prison, or dangling from a gibbet.

[David G]

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'Skullduggery' political podcast: 'The Republican party’s civil war' (with Barbara Comstock) — May 15, 2021

With a vote taking place on Friday morning, the Republican party officially ousted Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., and elected 36-year-old Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., to be its new conference chair. The dramatic leadership change reveals fault lines in a party where a significant — and evidently predominant — portion of its elected federal officials places fealty to Donald Trump above all else. Former Congresswoman Barbara Comstock, R-Va., joins Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman and Victoria Bassetti on this episode to discuss this internecine struggle in the GOP, as well as to give her take on the ostracization of Cheney and coronation of Stefanik, based on her personal relationships with both women. She details her vision for a reformed, policy-driven post-Trump Republican party. But is that what Republican voters want?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/skullduggery-podcast-republican-civil-war-elise-stefanik-liz-cheney-barbara-comstock-161513840.html

[Osborne Russell]

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Exactly. The GOP is dead and no longer exists... apart from a handful of traditionalists who are the exception to the rule and are being rapidly purged.

Those who revere the unique American experiment of a democratic republic must face facts: the 20th century GOP was been transmogrified to the 21st century GQP that is a fascist personality cult.

Know your enemy.
.to

Yes, but how does this amount to the GOP being dead? The Democratic Party once owned the south, then lost it. Is the Democratic Party dead?

[David G]

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New York attorney general's criminal investigation is not good for Trump, but he was already in peril

New York Attorney General Letitia James' office said Tuesday night it is is "now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity," along with Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.

The state attorney general's office is continuing its civil investigation of former President Donald Trump's business, CNN reports, and a "couple of investigators" from James' office "steeped in knowledge about the Trump Organization" have joined Vance's already robust team, which has been looking into an array of possible crimes by Trump and his company since 2018.

"Previously, the danger posed by James' investigation seemed to be merely financial — the kind of lawsuit Trump had faced from New York attorneys general before over his Trump University and his charity," The Washington Post notes. "Those cost him money but didn't threaten his liberty."

"This move signals, at a minimum, a new set of concerns" for Trump, CNN's Chris Cuomo said Tuesday night. "When things evolve from civil to criminal, it's not good. It is just as likely that the D.A.'s office reached out to the A.G. as vice versa, to say 'We'd like more resources on this, let's see if we can combine understanding.'" Yes, "it sounds like bad news for the Trump Organization," Van Jones agreed. James is a no-nonsense attorney general, he said, so she won't be doing this as "a stunt" or "for the headlines."

James' office informed Trump Organization lawyers in late April that its investigation had turned criminal, and "suggested that criminality could apply to actions by current and former company executives and employees if the investigation finds wrongdoing," the Post reports. It is rare for New York's attorney general and Manhattan's district attorney to collaborate.

James' new disclosure "is not necessarily an indication that she is planning to bring criminal charges" herself, The Associated Press reports. But state prosecutors "have a suite of powers called the Martin Act, which is just about the most extensive anti-fraud criminal law of any state in the country," legal analyst Neil Katyal told MSNBC, adding that these tools could help "flip" Trump insiders, notably finance chief Allen Weisselberg. Peter Weber

https://theweek.com/speedreads/983378/new-york-attorney-generals-criminal-investigation-not-good-trump-but-already-peril

[Canoez]

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I would argue that the percentage of "GOP" that exists today is the same one that voted to support the January 6th commission in the House. The party isn't fractured, it is leaving itself behind and becoming something else.

[TomF]

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Well said, Canoez.

[Keith Wilson]

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Yes, but how does this amount to the GOP being dead?

I think he means that the Republican Party is very different from what it used to be; same name, different party. This happens every now and then in US politics; the Democratic Party in 1880 was very different from the party in 1935 or 1980; the Republican Party of 1860 was not the same thing as the party of 1910 or 1980 (even given the changes in the times). You can often see the borders of the Confederacy on electoral maps, more or less, but the colors have changed over time.

[Boatbum]

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I think he means that the Republican Party is very different from what it used to be; same name, different party. This happens every now and then in US politics; the Democratic Party in 1880 was very different from the party in 1935 or 1980; the Republican Party of 1860 was not the same thing as the party of 1910 or 1980 (even given the changes in the times). You can often see the borders of the Confederacy on electoral maps, more or less, but the colors have changed over time.

I completely agree. Nothing stays still. Political parties shift based on changing constituency, the need to have a distinction from the other party, philosophical imperatives and most importantly political viability

[Keith Wilson]

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And now and then, a political party is captured by a sociopathic demagogue and goes nuts.

[Boatbum]

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And now and then, a political party is captured by a sociopathic demagogue and goes nuts.

Agreed