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  • #16
    Re: Trump is Toast

    Originally posted by Fred Z
    I have no reading comprehension problem. Perhaps you do. I understand perfectly what Hallam posted - I simply believe it's an incorrect assessment full of wishful thinking.
    Ok Fred Z, lets go back to the OP and what I said:

    Originally posted by Hallam
    ........enough rope has been given and the metaphorical noose has tightened around Trump's feeble throat as it bears the full weight of a dying political carcass of useless, dying blubber. All we will see from this point on is his writhing at the end of the rope as the remaining political life is sapped out of his decadent pathetically writhing political biomass.

    Not Trumpism but Trump himself is toast. He has defiled sacred ground and the vast majority of the population are turning in disgust. There is a mass realization and dismay reverberating through a shocked and traumatised body politic. The remaining few who are blinded by their own duplicity are caught, like rabbits in the spotlight, unsure of their next impulsive move while distancing themselves from Trump's magnum opus of January 6th.
    You do understand that i am referring to Trump himself as a mainstream political candidate. That he as a political entity is toast. I never said 'Trumpism' is toast. I have, in other threads referring to trumpism, or more specifically Trump's ardent followers, often expressed and elaborated on the theme of cult following and associated psychological entrapments of the thought process of cult members. This is i believe a very real aspect of what Trump has exploited among his base and is not a quick fix. They are hooked! Replace the h with an f if you like...... I have genuine feelings of sorrow for their plight. To put it another way, they have been sinned against, abused and used and will probably be thrown on the trash heap by most looking on and jeering in the aftermath.......disgusting!

    Now, on to the next clarification. The mass realization and dismay reverberating through a shocked and traumatised body politic.

    This is a reference to the voting population of the USA as a whole, not a reference to Trump's followers. For starters Trump never received a majority vote. Secondly if we take those who vote republican, many who saw what unfolded on Jan 6 and "President" Trump's actions at the rally in the morning and response after, many of these republican voters can be included in the group of shocked and traumatized. This is indeed a pivotal moment in US political history, one in which Trump has done terminal damage to his political credibility! It's difficult to believe he had any credibility to begin the day with! But he did and this alone is full testimony to the stupidity of a really large chunk of the American public! However what transpired later in the day is the rather pathetic climax of the Trump trajectory, built upon a foundation of lies manipulation and exploitation. Furthermore Trump is and never was alone in spearheading this trajectory and his accomplices will remain in political office and their sights with be refined and their dim whitts sharpened by the experience they have just gained at the expense of this shocked and traumatised body politic!

    Now i think i have made myself clear, although the level of critical thinking of some in the northern hemisphere never ceases to amaze this distant observer.
    Can it be said that perhaps you did not perfectly understand what I posted? Perhaps we are more on the same page in opinion than your assumptions allowed you to understand?

    I invite your response to my original post which was dipping my toe in the water inviting discussion, and subsequent clarification in the spirit of clear communication.
    My reason being the belief that this is a watershed moment in US history, a glimpse at the natural and logical consequence of leadership in the style and person of Trump! Something to be avoided in the future. A sour taste left as an epitaph........

    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

    "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
    Bruce Cockburn

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    • #17
      Re: Trump is Toast

      FiveThirtyEight is tracking Donald Trump’s approval ratings throughout his presidency.


      Still appalling how many support him.
      Skip

      ---This post is delivered with righteous passion and with a solemn southern directness --
      ...........fighting against the deliberate polarization of politics...

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      • #18
        Re: Trump is Toast

        All trump Pence signs, banners, and flags. Plus the Don't Thread on Me flags abound in SE Wisconsin. Taverns are full.
        More like Eggs Benedict here on rye.
        Tom

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        • #19
          Re: Trump is Toast

          Originally posted by RFNK
          Most Americans have no idea what cultural imperialism looks like or how saturated with American news virtually all our media are. They typically have no idea about the politics or governments of any other countries either, with the exception of whichever country they've decided to declare is their latest enemy.

          Do you know, most Americans actually believe that Americans were fighting for THEIR freedom in Vietnam and Korea. A high proportion of Americans believe the Sept 11 incident was instigated by Saddam Hussein and that Iraq did have WMDs. The level of gullibility in our own country is very high but in the US, it's extreme.
          I think you're (sadly) spot on with your assessment.

          Fortunately, there are many of us who are most decidedly NOT "most Americans"--please don't forget that!

          Tom
          Ponoszenie konsekwencji!

          www.tompamperin.com

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          • #20
            Re: Trump is Toast

            ....all Fred Z's posts are gone? Fred Z's done a runner on the discussion? What's up Fred z ?
            Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

            If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

            "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
            Bruce Cockburn

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            • #21
              Re: Trump is Toast

              Originally posted by WI-Tom
              I think you're (sadly) spot on with your assessment.

              Fortunately, there are many of us who are most decidedly NOT "most Americans"--please don't forget that!

              Tom
              Yes, don't worry, we know that! Nearly 80m Americans voted against Trump, most of the Americans we know are really great people, admirable. I spend a lot of my time actually defending America and Americans, for good reason, but it can be hard at times. America has some deep problems that are potentially dangerous for all of us.
              Rick

              Lean and nosey like a ferret

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              • #22
                Re: Trump is Toast

                If you scorch a dog turd over an open flame, does that make it toast?

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                • #23
                  Re: Trump is Toast

                  Originally posted by Hallam
                  ....all Fred Z's posts are gone? Fred Z's done a runner on the discussion? What's up Fred z ?
                  Weird. He's not banned. Can't imagine him deleting his posts on purpose. Did he say something rude and get a Scot shot across the bow?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trump is Toast

                    Originally posted by Chip-skiff
                    Weird. He's not banned. Can't imagine him deleting his posts on purpose. Did he say something rude and get a Scot shot across the bow?
                    his status is "deleted member". Not sure I've seen that one before. And searching for him now suddenly shows that no such member exists.

                    What'd he do to pi$$ of the Great ascot?or was it self-immolation?


                    You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nicholas Carey
                      his status is "deleted member". Not sure I've seen that one before. And searching for him now suddenly shows that no such member exists.

                      What'd he do to pi$$ of the Great ascot?or was it self-immolation?


                      [ATTACH=CONFIG]76790[/ATTACH]

                      And what posts are left seem to be in the "BYOB !!!" thread.



                      This seems to be the last/only post in a thread other than that.

                      You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                      • #26
                        Re: Trump is Toast

                        Fred's good...

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                        • #27
                          He does seem to have a history of this sort of thing ...

                          This is back in 2012.



                          "Why do you keep doing this? You delete postings so we only see them if they're quoted. You pretend you're leaving and lock the announcement so we can't even ask you what's bugging you now. And then you return.

                          Gimme a break."
                          You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trump is Toast

                            Originally posted by Fred Z
                            Geez, Louise folks. Chill. It's not complicated. I replied to Hallam's OP. Hallam disagreed and posted clarification. I replied and thanked Hallam for insulting my critical thinking ability, and said I no longer wished to partake of the discussion. Hallam said, "Fine by me." I said, "Likewise." and I deleted my posts. No mystery - I do it quite frequently.
                            If there is a discussion, deleting comments that are a part the discussion creates a bit of a mess of the process. I do not think i was overly offensive in my comments but since you were insulted i have no problem with offering my apologies to you and will keep this in mind with future communications with you in the hope of fostering good communication and robust exchange of ideas.
                            Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

                            If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

                            "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
                            Bruce Cockburn

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                            • #29
                              Re: Trump is Toast

                              speaking of him who should no longer be named, according to him,via CNN, "I called out the National Guard, I quelled the riot………….. But at least unlike a couple of our extreme RW politicians, he's not claiming it was an 'Antifa black ops." operation……………...

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                              • #30
                                Re: Trump is Toast

                                Originally posted by Hallam
                                If there is a discussion, deleting comments that are a part the discussion creates a bit of a mess of the process. I do not think i was overly offensive in my comments but since you were insulted i have no problem with offering my apologies to you and will keep this in mind with future communications with you in the hope of fostering good communication and robust exchange of ideas.
                                Fred Z is well-known in the Bilge as being the original invisible man. He has always routinely deleted his posts. He has posted to the WBF thousands of times despite his current thread count amounting to only 30. FYI he is a good guy.
                                "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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