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  • Re: Trump is Toast

    Originally posted by Peerie Maa
    Now, that is an interesting version of the "What is most likely" test. Which is more stupid (or moronic if you prefer) Trump, or the US "Intelligence/security" agencies?
    After the Philby and Maclean (?) scandal there was this theme in popular fiction, at least, that the US wouldn't share intelligence with the UK ... This Trump fiasco puts that in the shade, rather.
    Rick

    Lean and nosey like a ferret

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    • Re: Trump is Toast

      Originally posted by Canoez
      Makes you wonder if they're either witnesses or un-indicted co-conspirators. There are likely to be a few attorneys that worked for T**** that are going to go through some things.
      "Trump Attorney 1" and "Trump Attorney 3", at the very least, going to be looking at disciplinary action by the Bar and possibly disbarment.
      You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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      • Re: Trump is Toast

        That's what I thought Nicholas after this..
        “It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system,” the attorneys said..
        Hallam, Rick, the President is also CinC, and in theory at leastthe Chief Law Officer, and cannot be prosecuted whilst in office….. in other words, King Emperor or whatever. He can dismiss anyone he sees as a threat. Add a compliant congress……...

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        • Re: Trump is Toast

          Originally posted by icyb
          Loose Cannon is assigned to the case.
          This could be catastrophic.
          Trump's hand-picked judge, who totally embarrassed herself by appointing the Special Master, is assigned to the case.
          If she has an ounce of integrity, she will recuse herself. If not, she will likely do Trump's bidding, gum up the works and ensure that the trial doesn't start until after Jan. 20, 2025.
          I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
          Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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          • Re: Trump is Toast

            Why did Trump keep the stuff? The talkers froth. Their journalism an inch wide and an inch deep.

            For funny money. If not cash, then for Kompromat. "Listen, I need you to do something for us . . . "

            If you can't get at X -- say, Zelensky -- then you get at someone close to X.

            By that avenue, in a pinch, facing prison, F the USA, you can wind up in your own dacha in Abkhazia, formerly Republic of Georgia, brutally and illegally invaded by Russia, their statehood recognized by Nicaragua and Venezuela, the rest of the world says GTFOOH -- never.

            Very beautiful. Palm trees, beaches, neo-classical architecture . . . place you oughta be, Jed. Russian? Feature not a bug.



            Why did Trump do it? For funny money. For what? Political asylum in a dacha on the Black Sea. But I repeat myself.
            Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

            Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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            • Re: Trump is Toast

              #2206..
              The fix is in. Hey Osborne, take note…….

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              • Re: Trump is Toast

                [QUOTE=Rich Jones;6865561]This could be catastrophic.
                Trump's hand-picked judge, who totally embarrassed herself by appointing the Special Master, is assigned to the case.
                If she has an ounce of integrity, she will recuse herself. If not, she will likely do Trump's bidding, gum up the works and ensure that the trial doesn't start until after Jan. 20, 2025

                This was just addressed on Meidas Touch (YouTube), she will have to recuse herself for her past interference regarding Trump. If she does not, DOJ will appeal to the 11th Circuit which had ruled against her the last time. No worries about Cannon.

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                • Re: Trump is Toast

                  Originally posted by skuthorp
                  That's what I thought Nicholas after this..
                  “It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system,” the attorneys said..
                  Hallam, Rick, the President is also CinC, and in theory at leastthe Chief Law Officer, and cannot be prosecuted whilst in office….. in other words, King Emperor or whatever. He can dismiss anyone he sees as a threat. Add a compliant congress……...

                  But the position is not that of a dictatorship. What you seem to be saying is once elected he/she can act as a dictator. I’m sure that is not the case but due to my unfamiliarity with your system I’m unsure of the checks and balances that operate while a person holds the office of POTUS. When the POTUS becomes a real and present threat to national security what legal options are exist to address the issues that might have urgency attached?
                  Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

                  If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

                  "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
                  Bruce Cockburn

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                  • Re: Trump is Toast

                    Originally posted by skuthorp
                    That's what I thought Nicholas after this..
                    “It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system,” the attorneys said..
                    Hallam, Rick, the President is also CinC, and in theory at leastthe Chief Law Officer, and cannot be prosecuted whilst in office….. in other words, King Emperor or whatever. He can dismiss anyone he sees as a threat. Add a compliant congress……...
                    Doesn't matter. Either the security services let him take out info that actually matters or they only let him take stuff that doesn't. If the former then that's incompetence. If the latter then they'll have egg all over their faces for allowing it all to get to indictment. Either way, it's an indictment of the way the US handles sensitive info and has to be hugely embarrassing.
                    Rick

                    Lean and nosey like a ferret

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                    • Re: Trump is Toast

                      Originally posted by John Smith
                      This is what I tend to expect. SOME jurors may well be Trump believers or FOX believers.

                      During the trial they will see actual evidence, much of it in Trump's own words. This will happen in so much volume, numbers, not loudness, that they will learn they've been lied to.

                      I tuned into FOX for a bit today, and they're talking about Biden being bribed. Not sure what that says, but it says something.
                      Reading the bill of indictment, I notice that it is filed — as it should be, given Mar-A-Lago's location — in the West Palm Beach (WBP) division of the Southern District of Florida. So the trial will be held, barring a change in venue, at the West Palm Beach Federal Courthouse. Question is, though: is the jury pool drawn only from Palm Beach Country, the geographic area served by the West Palm Beach division? Or is the jury pool drawn from the entire area served by the Southern District of Florida?

                      That changes the jury pool maths. Palm Beach is wealthy and white. Believe it's got more than a few jews in the population, too. As far as voting patterns go, here are the numbers:

                      383,090 voters registered as Democratic Party
                      288,554 voters registered as Republican Party
                      23,043 voters registered as other/minor party
                      292,312 voters registered with no party affiliation (independent)
                      986,999 total registered voters

                      [Broward County (Fort Lauderdale Division of the Southern District of Florida) is pretty solidly blue]

                      Here's a precinct-level map for Palm Beach County showing how each precinct voted in the 2020 presidential election, courtesy of the Palm Beach Post at



                      palm-beach-2020-election results.jpg
                      You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                      • Re: Trump is Toast

                        Originally posted by Hallam
                        But the position is not that of a dictatorship. What you seem to be saying is once elected he/she can act as a dictator. I’m sure that is not the case but due to my unfamiliarity with your system I’m unsure of the checks and balances that operate while a person holds the office of POTUS.
                        That is not the case. The president is constrained by law, although given how the Congress has abdicated power to the Presidency over the last 50+ years, . . .

                        Though the Congress can take its power back, if it has the gronicles to do so.

                        When the POTUS becomes a real and present threat to national security what legal options are exist to address the issues that might have urgency attached?
                        The president can be impeached and removed from office. Difficult, especially in these times.

                        And there is the 25th Amendment solution: the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet may declare the President unfit for office, at which point the Vice-President becomes acting president.



                        Section 4.
                        Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

                        Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
                        You would not enjoy Nietzsche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound. — P.G. Wodehouse (Carry On, Jeeves)

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                        • Re: Trump is Toast

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                          "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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                          • Re: Trump is Toast

                            .
                            United States of America v. Donald J. Trump and Waltine Nauta
                            "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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                            • Re: Trump is Toast

                              #2213, Section 4
                              See how that went?
                              Nice theory, as long as the crooks are not in charge, and they were……… all the way up.

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                              • Re: Trump is Toast

                                Joy Reid is having a good time

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