Trump is Toast

[John Smith]

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living here in the states most of my life, I am still amazed how stupid a really large chunk of the American Public is.

I don't think 'stupid' is the word. My brother and my aunt, both now deceased, watched FOX. They believed they were getting actual news and considered themselves well informed.

Anyone who watches a 'NEWS' network is entitled to believe they're getting actual facts as news. My aunt was quite angry that California's farmers needed the scarce water (long drought), but the DOI under Obama was sending that scarce water to the wetlands where the smelts lived.

She INSISTED I watch a Hannity live special on this so I'd know what was going on. Hannity spent an hour on the DOI sending the scarce water to the smelts, when the farmers needed it. It took some time the following day, but I found the DOI had been sending that water to the farmers in the valley for at least a month before this live special. The entire hour was a lie.

Exactly how is the FOX view supposed to know they're being lied to? How many FOX viewers know about the $700 plus FoX must pay Dominion?

It is truly important to understand that during Watergate we had fewer news outlets, and ALL of them reported the same set of facts. Everyone at work, regardless of what they'd like to think, for example, KNEW 18 minutes of tape had been erased. Republicans on the committee asked tough questions; seeking the truth rather than protecting Nixon.

I've often voiced the opinion, with far less support than I'd expect or like, that a 'news' network lying is fraud and should be treated as such. Reporting falsehoods as facts under 'news', to my mind, is fraud and should be treated as such. Thanks to Dominion's suit, those who don't watch FOX, Newsmax, and such, KNOW the people on FOX were reporting stuff they knew was not true.

So, where is the line between free speech and fraud?

[Breakaway]

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Thanks to Dominion's suit, those who don't watch FOX, Newsmax, and such, KNOW the people on FOX were reporting stuff they knew was not true.

But, Foxs ratings have not suffered. What does that tell us?

That people KNOWING something has little to do with anything. People want support for their current line of thought. If facts support that line of thought, fine. If facts refute that line of thought, eff facts.

Get it? Facts dont matter to many people.

Kevin

[John Meachen]

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I haven't read this thread but to me, this is looking like 2016 all over again. From what I have seen of Trump's performances, he is a much better politician than he was back then so unless something remarkable happens I am putting a dollar on him becoming the Republican candidate

Only a dollar?

[John Smith]

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I haven't read this thread but to me, this is looking like 2016 all over again. From what I have seen of Trump's performances, he is a much better politician than he was back then so unless something remarkable happens I am putting a dollar on him becoming the Republican candidate

I'm not sure many would take that bet. The question is one of whether or not he's indicted, convicted, and sentenced for criminal acts.

Treason, I believe, if convicted would prevent him from running. Other crimes, he could be elected while in prison.

[JayInOz]

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I reckon he'll be sentenced to more than ten years jail but will be released for health reasons after less than two. A news network poll this week found that the vast majority of people think trump is mentally unfit to be president again. What made it significant was that it was a Fox news poll. JayInOz

[ron ll]

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Mark Meadows has just testified before the grand jury. Evidently he said more than “I take the fifth.”

[elf]

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From what I have seen of Trump's performances, he is a much better politician than he was back then

What of his behavior do you see that makes you think that?

[RFNK]

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That's what I'm wondering. He was an arrogant, obnoxious prat then but seems to have added raving lunacy to his skill set now. How does that make him better?

[gypsie]

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Better?

He boasted of sexually assaulting women before 2016.
A court has agreed since then that he did commit sexual assault.
There's a conga line of law suits in the wings by more women who were sexually assaulted by him.

Where in the sane world does that make you a better politician? It is unbelievable that he is being entertained as a serious person for any public office. It is a complete mockery, its an insult to any citizenry that the best a major political party can offer is such a turd.



(obvioulsy there's all the rest of the dance card too ....)

[elf]

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You guys. Now you've gone and ruined it entirely.

Leave Mr. Paul G. space to answer. You'll never get a straight answer from him if you attack his ideas before he's even had a chance to reveal them.

[Paul G.]

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By better I mean he knows how to work the crowd at a whole new level. I saw a few clips of him on twitter and I thought yep hes gonna win the nomination if not the presidency if he keeps this up.

I have my own opinion of him as a human being which is pretty low but as a politician no one here seems to get how he pulled of the impossible in 2016, he destroyed the opposition and won. Unheard off! Hillary was a shoe in, but unfortunately she has Bill baggage and even more unfortunately the quality of the more you see of her the less likeable she is. Trump on the other hand is a carnival barker/showman, he worked the room. It was as awful as it was fascinating, but the lesson has been learnt- underestimate him at your peril.

The only defence against people like him is to vote

[Hallam]

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What has been standing out even more to me lately is how he articulates what he wants his tribe to think in the nature and content of his replies to an issue that has just arisen that is a clear threat to him. I will look for an example

[gypsie]

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If you're right Paul G. I see it as an erosion of public standards and expectations, not an improvement in Trump. For voters to ignore the litany of scum-of-the-earthiness from this man is a damning indictment on the critical abilities of the US conservative voting public.

As has always been said in this place, Trump is a symptom. The USA is very unwell indeed.

[Garret]

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By better I mean he knows how to work the crowd at a whole new level. I saw a few clips of him on twitter and I thought yep hes gonna win the nomination if not the presidency if he keeps this up.

I have my own opinion of him as a human being which is pretty low but as a politician no one here seems to get how he pulled of the impossible in 2016, he destroyed the opposition and won. Unheard off! Hillary was a shoe in, but unfortunately she has Bill baggage and even more unfortunately the quality of the more you see of her the less likeable she is. Trump on the other hand is a carnival barker/showman, he worked the room. It was as awful as it was fascinating, but the lesson has been learnt- underestimate him at your peril.

The only defence against people like him is to vote

Well said. What people who dislike/hate Trump don't seem to understand is that there are both people who love him for who/what he is & those who may not love him, or even like him, but will vote for him because of what he (allegedly) stands for.

Ignore and/or ridicule him at your peril.

[Paul G.]

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If anything the US has a uniparty system with the two flavours of it getting turns in office funded by the same donors for the benefit of the same elites. Trump is a threat to the status quo so he has to go down. Most Americans no matter who they vote for are very decent people and I think its shameful how the press tries to emphasise divisions which are actually smaller than people think. It all about making money of course and I dont buy the cheap depictions of an ill educated public etc. If the US is unwell its because of the ruling class strip mining the public good in the most kleptocratic manner possible.