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What? Nearly all of you ARE southerners!
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Yes. The attacks are on the foundations of their world view. If they respond with integrity and intelligence, it is recognized. If they retreat into petulance and irrationality, it's taken as proof that they lack integrity and intelligence. Why would you have them and not use them?Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.
Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)Comment
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These denials of "Southern bashing" ring hollow.
Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.
I am not from the South and so I don't much care, but these denials miss the mark. There is plenty of Southern bashing here as a factual matter.
It is time for the South to stop being the sole repository of this nation's racial guilt.Comment
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Nice pot-stir, 'Sky'.... good effort, but transparent. That's a stinker!There's a lot of things they didn't tell me when I signed on with this outfit....Comment
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I wanna know what "confontation" is. Izzat when you get Arial mixed up with Verdana?What are you doing about it?
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I honestly cannot remember any of this. I will have to go and look now to make sure. I do recall one thread, maybe a year ago, about slavery and that one had some some "anti-southern" --or maybe its was anti-Confederacy- comments. That's the only thread I remember that could even be vaguely considered to be "bashing."Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.
KevinThere are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.
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I have residences in both the north(west) and the south. There is a difference. Characterizing those differences can be complicated, but if you're willing to deal in generalities and ignore the trap of allowing those generalities act as if they are blanket rules without exceptions, there are some things you can say
that suggest the differences. I'd make a list but risk being misunderstood by people looking to pick fights.One of the most enduring qualities of an old wooden boat is the smell it imparts to your clothing.Comment
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I do indeed refer to the Republican party sometimes as 'the party of angry old southern white evangelical Christian men'. This is partly sarcasm; obviously not everyone who votes Republican fits in those categories. However, it's only partly sarcasm, and contains a certain amount of truth (some data here). Women tend to favor Democrats by a considerable margin outside the south. Anyone who isn't white will most likely vote Democratic, and the margins have been increasing. Those identifying as Evangelical Christian vote overwhelming Republican. Old people vote Republican, young people heavily Democratic. The phrase is designed to highlight the Republicans' demographic problem, which is very real.
Consider this map; it's from the '08 election, but the '12 election results were similar.
And I am getting heartily sick of the "Ma, he called me a racist!' whining. AFAIK I have never called anyone here a racist. I have said many times that the old-time racism is mostly dead, that the situation today is much more complex, and the models of the 1950s no longer fit. Everyone with even a cursory knowledge of American political history knows that the Republicans started as the abolitionist party, that the Radical Republicans attempted to impose something like racial equality on the South after the civil war, and the Democrats were the party of of segregation and southern racism from the 1860s until the 1950s at least. After that point, voting patterns in the south switched as the parties sorted themselves along ideological lines, and southern conservatives are now overwhelmingly Republican.
I do think that many of the ideas current among the more extreme conservatives have roots in the old south, and particularly the period of Reconstruction and 'Redemption' - when the old order, minus slavery, was reimposed by violence after the withdrawal of federal troops. But the old-style racism is indeed mostly dead, or at least much diminished, and what's left of it is most certainly not confined to the south, nor was it ever. I can find far, far more accurate reasons to criticize modern conservatives..Last edited by Keith Wilson; 10-27-2014, 03:35 PM."For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
for nature cannot be fooled."
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Actually the tea baggers are trying to tie the Republican party to racism. The liberals are just pointing it out. As for bashing conservatives (truthfully it's right wing-nuts, conservatives are much more centrist) and southerners, well only when they do something stupid. Should we let foolishness exist without ridiculing it? It would only encourage more.
Gene“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” Isaac Asimov.Comment
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The guilty parties were quick to jump on this thread, nicely trolled sirComment
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Keith Wilson admits -Yes, but keith the south has been democrats till lately........oh you forgot didn't you......I do indeed refer to the Republican party sometimes as 'the party of angry old southern white evangelical Christian men'.Comment
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“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” Isaac Asimov.Comment
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