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    Our regular mooring maintenance guy checked/cleaned our mooring yesterday. What I thought might need replacement was just fine, but another part is not so healthy. The mooring is anchored by a large concrete block. A rather large nylon line (1 1/8" dia. +/-) leads from the block toward the surface. There is a mid line float. The line has an end loop around a galvanized thimble that holds a captured iron ring. A large shackle connects to the ring that secures a chain leading to the surface mooring ball. This internet photo best illustrates the thimble/ring:

    th-4271790022.jpeg

    The problem is that the iron ring has worn away the thimble at the bearing point so now the nylon line is exposed to the abrasive action of the ring. The mooring guy pulled all this out of the water to clean, inspect, and work on it. But he's stumped for a really good fix. Replacing the thimble would be extremely difficult if not impossible. As an interim solution he took the load off of the iron ring by lashing the thimble to the big chain shackle. His thinking is that the lashing, being rope, will not further abrade the nylon line. However, my concern is that the wear is simply being passed along... the shackle will wear on his lashing.

    I asked him to replace the mooring line completely. That is... start fresh. He will do this, but his schedule is vague so neither of us know when this might happen.

    It's not too worrisome to me. The loads from my small boat are not large for the mooring equipment and since the thimble is only about 6' below, I can pull it up to inspect. But I'd like to do a better repair. Thus my question: How?

    I've thought of fabricating an insert to fit the thimble out of UHMW. This could be made to clamp together or perhaps wire or lash it into position. Making such a thing is not difficult except that the thing to fit is submerged and going back and forth between my shop and the mooring would be tedious. I expect it would take several trips, at least. So then I thought maybe there's a flexible wear resistant material that I could lash into the thimble. Some really heavy duty chaf guard. Maybe kevlar felt or the like. I could lash it with dyneema which itself if rather resistant to wear.

    I'm still thinking. My boat is still in the garage. There's no rush. I'd appreciate any and every idea.

    Jeff

  • #2
    Re: Mooring maintenance

    D.O.T. plastic air brake tubing usually chafes through a truck frame before the tubing fails

    It's Nylon I think...
    Split the tubing and use it as a thimble inside the thimble? Lash it in place w/monel wire?

    D.O.T. Nylon Tubing
    D.O.T tubing meets or exceeds DOT FMVSS 571. 160 & SAE J844 standards. This tubing is made from Virgin Nylon 12 material with a double wall construction, nylon core, synthetic fiber braid, and nylon cover.

    This outfit may be able to help:
    https://www.polyconn.com/kynar-tubing#1

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    • #3
      Re: Mooring maintenance

      I'm rather surprised you use rope at all.
      My old mooring was chain with a couple of swivel shackles along the way so the chain wouldn't get all
      twisted as the wind swung the boat around the mooring.
      The local town demanded that all moorings be inspected every year and bad equipment replaced. This was a boon for the marinas that placed the mooring.
      I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
      Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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      • #4
        Re: Mooring maintenance

        Yes. Here, too. Bottom chain and top chain. They would not allow a rope to be attached directly to the mooring.

        From our Harbor Master’s site:

        IMG_2376.jpg

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        • #5
          Re: Mooring maintenance

          I'm not familiar with OP's mooring, but I know Washington state prefers rope with midline floats to prevent damage to the eel grass or kelp that is likely near the mooring.



          I might try to add a "safety" line by tying a prussic or similar on the nylon line, just below the area of concern, and then to the chain just above, effectively creating a safety rope that would take all of the load in the event the thimble failed. Make sense?

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          • #6
            Re: Mooring maintenance

            I am confused as to why cutting off the thimble and making a splice around a new one is not an option?

            If you, or your mooring person, hasn't done it before, no sweat. Just practice. You might take three or five tries, but you will have it done in an hour or two and not wasted more than a yard of line.

            Kevin
            There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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            • #7
              Re: Mooring maintenance

              Rope is what every mooring has in my neighborhood. Likely the eel grass regulation and protection of the sea bed in general is the reason. One could probably ask for an exemption but that process would be onerous. The regulatory bodies hereabouts are might protective of their turf. There is good reason for this. But the nylon line works just fine and that part is mostly maintenance free although they do acquire quite a bit of growth that must be removed to keep the weight from sinking the buoy.

              I thought of cutting out the thimble and replacing it in a newly spliced loop. That might be possible although the line is very large and probably difficult to work with after being in the water for nearly 20 years. I don't think the mooring guy usually does this sort of thing. But I might be wrong. I'll ask him. I have experience in splicing in thimbles but not that large. The biggest impediment for myself is access and a working platform. Using my pretty sailboat is out of the question and working from a dinghy is difficult for my old bod. I'm pretty sure I can handle putting in some chafe material. Canoeyawl's tubing suggestion is worth looking into.

              Lukes... your prussic idea is sort of what he did yesterday. It removes the wear to the main mooring line at the thimble but the prussic line will chafe on the shackle or chain.

              Thanks for all the ideas.

              Jeff

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              • #8
                Re: Mooring maintenance

                Years ago I had a mooring for my 38' sail. I made up round, solid thimbles of (I think?) UHMW. Hole just big enough for shackle pin, you might be able to get a small enough one to fit within the eye and seize in place? They looked like sheaves, mine were about 3" diameter, yours would be determined by eye size...
                A thought anyway
                Brian

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                • #9
                  Re: Mooring maintenance

                  Originally posted by jpatrick
                  Rope is what every mooring has in my neighborhood. Likely the eel grass regulation and protection of the sea bed in general is the reason. One could probably ask for an exemption but that process would be onerous. The regulatory bodies hereabouts are might protective of their turf. There is good reason for this. But the nylon line works just fine and that part is mostly maintenance free although they do acquire quite a bit of growth that must be removed to keep the weight from sinking the buoy.

                  I thought of cutting out the thimble and replacing it in a newly spliced loop. That might be possible although the line is very large and probably difficult to work with after being in the water for nearly 20 years. I don't think the mooring guy usually does this sort of thing. But I might be wrong. I'll ask him. I have experience in splicing in thimbles but not that large. The biggest impediment for myself is access and a working platform. Using my pretty sailboat is out of the question and working from a dinghy is difficult for my old bod. I'm pretty sure I can handle putting in some chafe material. Canoeyawl's tubing suggestion is worth looking into.

                  Lukes... your prussic idea is sort of what he did yesterday. It removes the wear to the main mooring line at the thimble but the prussic line will chafe on the shackle or chain.

                  Thanks for all the ideas.

                  Jeff
                  I didnt even think about the age of the line, Jeff. It may well be unspliceable.

                  I think rope is fine so long as the mooring ground is soft and not covered in barnacle-coated boulders, cobbles, shell, etc.

                  Kevin
                  There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Mooring maintenance

                    I was going to suggest that the nylon to mooring block bit, especially with the little buoy, is all about protecting the bottom. Nice.

                    The old nylon is likely hardened to unspliceable. Best idea is improvise until your mooring contractor can make up a new rig.

                    I wonder why any chain. Perhaps to keep the gear from getting entangled near the surface?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mooring maintenance

                      Back in the day, the rope eye would be seized/lashed onto the ring so that it could not move. No movement = no wear. Serve the eye first for insurance. These days, you could possibly cast the lot in resin after the seizing/lashing is complete.
                      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Mooring maintenance

                        I agree with going new. If your guy is short on time you could make it all up yourself then he just needs to fit it which he should be able to fit in his schedule a lot easier.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Mooring maintenance

                          20 years old! I'd want it all replaced.
                          -Dave

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                          • #14
                            Re: Mooring maintenance

                            Originally posted by Woxbox
                            20 years old! I'd want it all replaced.
                            Yep, and triple check whatever it is coming out of the concrete block, which becomes the new weak point.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Mooring maintenance

                              I suspect the ring has worn the thimble because there's no swivel, i.e., as the boat swings around on the mooring the ring twists and turns inside the thimble grinding it away and thinning out the metal(?) A swivel shackle between the ring or staple in the concrete block and the rope thimble might obviate the problem.
                              For the most part experience is making the same mistakes over and over again, only with greater confidence.

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