'Clovelly Picarooner'

[IanHarg]

Hello all.
What a great forum however our first post is a cheeky one Im afraid. We're in the UK and on the look out for a Clovelly Picarooner, if anyone can help we'd be most grateful.
Thank you, Ian/Louise

[Peerie Maa]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

Apart from a couple of new build reproductions, I doubt whether there are any used ones left.
If Clovelly has a Harboutr Master, they may be able to advise.

[Edward Pearson]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

There's one on the village quay that's used and one in the museum as you enter that a chap on here Peter Radclyffe built. I've not seen a wood one for sale for some years. I'd say bar those two they're extinct.



Heard's took a mold off something similar (not sure it's exact or maybe they took the tumblehome out of it) and made the grp ones.

If you're looking for something of this ilk, the Salterns Tela is a bit narrower, slimmer, faster with good ballast ratio. That'd be a good adventuresome daysailer. Origins are the small Barry pilot boats on the other side of the Bristol Channel.

For off the shelf plans, I don't think there's ever been a proper set of lines done. There are some basic measurements and I took a load of photos when I visited Clovelley. A Vivier Ebihen 16 is about as close as you'll find with the yawl rig.



Not as heavy displacement, but easier to launch and live with. It would sail rings around a Picarooner in reality.

[peter radclyffe]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

There's one on the village quay that's used and one in the museum as you enter that a chap on here Peter Radclyffe built. I've not seen a wood one for sale for some years. I'd say bar those two they're extinct.



Heard's took a mold off something similar (not sure it's exact or maybe they took the tumblehome out of it) and made the grp ones.

If you're looking for something of this ilk, the Salterns Tela is a bit narrower, slimmer, faster with good ballast ratio. That'd be a good adventuresome daysailer. Origins are the small Barry pilot boats on the other side of the Bristol Channel.

For off the shelf plans, I don't think there's ever been a proper set of lines done. There are some basic measurements and I took a load of photos when I visited Clovelley. A Vivier Ebihen 16 is about as close as you'll find with the yawl rig.



Not as heavy displacement, but easier to launch and live with. It would sail rings around a Picarooner in reality.

thanks edward,
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[peter radclyffe]

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[peter radclyffe]

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[peter radclyffe]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

nick smith used my details to build one, he can build you one in salcombe

[Peerie Maa]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Apparently Nick Smith built one.

https://nicksmithboatbuilder.co.uk/

Inboard power though, not sails.

[NickW]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Is the OP referring to the GRP versions built by Gaffers & Luggers, like these?

http://www.photofilecornwall.co.uk/cornwall-xfiles/gaff-rig-sailing-in-fowey.htm

Click the links in the article.

Nick

[Peerie Maa]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Hello all.
What a great forum however our first post is a cheeky one Im afraid. We're in the UK and on the look out for a Clovelly Picarooner, if anyone can help we'd be most grateful.
Thank you, Ian/Louise

Is the OP referring to the GRP versions built by Gaffers & Luggers, like these?

http://www.photofilecornwall.co.uk/cornwall-xfiles/gaff-rig-sailing-in-fowey.htm

Click the links in the article.

Nick

If they want frozen snot, they are being damned cheeky asking on here.

[IanHarg]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Hi again everyone and sorry for the late reply,

Thank you all for the suggestions and yes that Gaffers and Luggers sailing photo is what got our juices flowing in the first place so to speak. We came across it by accident and I knew straight away that thats what I'd been looking for for years.

As a family back in the 60's we sailed an old 18ft clinker open hull life boat looking thing, goodness knows how old it was but it was really lovely (I'll try and dig out a pic if anyones interested, would be nice to find out exactly what it was).

Anyway, Lasers/GP's etc are fun but its time to take on some extra weight and girth and slow it all down a bit. Heres hoping.

Frozen Snot? Now thats going to take a lot of Googling to figure out...haha

Ian

[Edward Pearson]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

The first version of the Heard grp Picarooner was fairly open with basic front and rear tanks if I remember.



There was a later version that had an internal molding - more side tanks and storage that's probably worth looking for.




Heard's son Sam has a small boatyard down in Cornwall and I think he kept the Picarooner molds, so could make you a new one. He mainly makes them as small hire launches but there's usually a few for sale over a summer.

Other good dayboats would be the Tela I (has quite alot of ballast, I think 50% ratio and quite slim) mentioned or the Norfolk Oyster. The Norfolk Oyster will be the best designed and Charlie Wards boats had the best build quality by far, but a bit more spendy. The Heards are fine - simple and strong - but a bit more Cornish workboat - galvanised fittings rather than bronze etc.

[Peerie Maa]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

Frozen Snot? Now thats going to take a lot of Googling to figure out...haha

Ian

L Francis Herreshoff's disparaging reference to GRP.

[johngsandusky]

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That fiberglass dinghy is handsome, and probably easier to find.

[IanHarg]

Re: 'Clovelly Picarooner'

In reference to the GRP thing. A new wooden eg would be a dream but we neither have the cash nor a nice cosy place to look after one so I suspect snot and a winter cover it will have to be. I can live with that as long as it's dripping in wooden trim, soaked in the galvanic sauce, and topped off with lashings of bronze fittings and hemp rope, tho I expect the latter is probably not terrible practical. Would actually be interesting to glean forum opinion re natural or plastic rope.

Rather like this one...wide seats, nice looking.Grace polperrocouk.jpg