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  • Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

    I need another boat like a hole in the head and already have my glued lap
    15' Rushton pulling boat for rowing, but for years I've had an urge to build
    an Adirondack guideboat.
    I spent many years in my teens and early 20's living and boating in the Adirondack
    mountains of New York. I was young and stupid and my boats were fiberglass. This was also at the lowest point of wooden boat building as the world turned to fiberglass.
    So, back then, guideboats were few and far between and I don't know that I'd even heard of them.
    Now that I've hit the age of 70 I'm starting to think that it's now or never to build one of these classics.
    One of the main issues is that I feel that the Adirondack guideboat is one boat whose design and construction method must remain unchanged: feather-lap wood construction, ribs and about 3,000 brass tacks holding it together. I need
    a boat that can survive bouncing along on a trailer and also be totally leak free as it will be dry stored.

    As for the feather lap, in my research I've seen that some were built lap-strake and that would look OK if I went glued lapstrake. If I were to build the boat, I'd put in all the ribs for stiffness and authenticity. I would never, ever build it in strip plank/fiberglass. That method is fine for other boats but in my mind not for this classic.

    I purchased a set of plans from Mystic Seaport Museum for the Warren Cole guideboat of 1905. Via a PM with the forum's guideboat guru, Chris Woodard, I was told that would be a fine boat to build.
    16' long with a beam just over 3'.

    The materials for the boat wouldn't be that much but authentic hardware from Shaw and Tenney would be $500, pretty much as the cost of materials for the entire boat.

    Unless you fine folks can talk me down off this ledge, I just might jump and start lofting this summer.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
    Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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    Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

    It seems that you have identified an itch that needs scratching.Keep a camera close at hand.

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    • #3
      Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

      What a silly question! Of course you should! We'll all be here to cheer you on!

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      • #4
        Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

        Rich, we’d understand if you didn’t use the 100% authentic hardware. Check the Perko catalog.

        I know of a fantail launch that’s had its authentic 1908 one-lung engine replaced with a inboard electric propulsion system.

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          Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

          Originally posted by JimConlin
          Rich, we’d understand if you didn’t use the 100% authentic hardware. Check the Perko catalog.

          I know of a fantail launch that’s had its authentic 1908 one-lung engine replaced with a inboard electric propulsion system.
          I think I know of the launch. The guy was in touch with me about the design. Think it was somewhere in southern Mass.
          I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
          Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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          • #6
            Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

            There are a couple of pretty good books on amateur guideboat building that I looked at and referenced in my article on the state of guideboats in the current WoodenBoat. You can also get a nicely kitted out one but it's not cheap although unless you have serious tools available to mill stock it might be cheaper than going from scratch.
            Ben Fuller
            Ran Tan, Liten Kuhling, Tipsy, Tippy, Josef W., Merry Mouth, Imp, Macavity, Look Far, Flash and a quiver of other 'yaks.
            "Bound fast is boatless man."

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            • #7
              Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

              Some itches benefit more from scratching than others I've found.

              Built my first boat 50 years ago (scratch, bermuda-rigged 14' scow), the second begun in late 2019 (17' CLC sailing canoe kit w/amas).

              The first is long gone, the second awaits her first 2023 wetting, maybe next weekend.

              All the others that caused an itch in between went unscratched.

              Yet at 74 now there's a new itch in town, smaller (13'-6"), different technique (SOF), strictly for rowing & ought to be car-toppable (easily half the weight of the two that came of my scratching about) and I'm noodling now on just exactly how I could manage to store this new'un over the long winter months under roof.

              Stay tuned if you want.

              I'll be watching for new posts on your scratching about Rich; an Adirondack was one of my itches that didn't last long enough to engender some scratching. Lovely things they are.

              (THIS the same Perko referenced earlier? If so, thanks! Thisn's new to me with this thread.)
              "Because we are not divine, we must jettison the many burdens we cannot bear."

              Mark Helprin, 2017

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              • #8
                Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                Originally posted by Ben Fuller
                There are a couple of pretty good books on amateur guideboat building that I looked at and referenced in my article on the state of guideboats in the current WoodenBoat. You can also get a nicely kitted out one but it's not cheap although unless you have serious tools available to mill stock it might be cheaper than going from scratch.
                Your article is what brought this itch back to the surface!
                A great article. Thanks.
                I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
                Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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                • #9
                  Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                  Rich, I've always liked your tag line re. being born on a wooden boat.... But rather than reading it as past tense, my interpretation is: 'I am being born on wooden boats that I build myself.'

                  Please don't interrupt the birthing process.

                  Jeff

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                    Unless it is a matter of selling a kidney or child off to buy the materials, "Why not build an Adirondack Guideboat?" is a better question.

                    As the Wiccans say: An it harm none do what ye will
                    Steve

                    If you would have a good boat, be a good guy when you build her - honest, careful, patient, strong.
                    H.A. Calahan

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                    • #11
                      Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                      Needing another boat has nothing to do with it. I dont need another boat but cant stop going back to the "Deadrise with flair" thread and thinking what a great project it would be, even if just to figure out the cross planking as it approaches the stem. And then I'll have an excuse to buy an outboard and more fishing gear.
                      Build the guideboat. Why the hell not? We all need a new build thread to follow....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                        To answer the question in the thread title: Yes.

                        And post lots of photos.

                        Tom
                        Ponoszenie konsekwencji!

                        www.tompamperin.com

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                        • #13
                          Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                          Woo hoo!
                          Another Rich Jones boat build!
                          Bring me that corn popper!

                          Kevin
                          There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                            Originally posted by Rich Jones
                            Your article is what brought this itch back to the surface!
                            A great article. Thanks.
                            Thanks. I was impressed with Steve Kaulbeck's ribbing system as well as the work that has been done to do glued up ribs as not everyone can dig spruce root. While I know you don't want to do a pure stripper, the edge glued planking/ laminated ribs make a nice compromise between the traditional boats and the ones that we put on top of our cars and otherwise mistreat.
                            Ben Fuller
                            Ran Tan, Liten Kuhling, Tipsy, Tippy, Josef W., Merry Mouth, Imp, Macavity, Look Far, Flash and a quiver of other 'yaks.
                            "Bound fast is boatless man."

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                            • #15
                              Re: Should I build an Adirondack Guideboat?

                              It sure sounds like Rich is back from his recent travails ! ! !
                              Charter Member - - Professional Procrastinators Association of America - - putting things off since 1965 " I'll get around to it tomorrow, .... maybe "

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