Bilge Restoration

[icenine]

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So, what do you call this when the company is too polite for "gnats piss"?

Gnat's piss indeed. As far as the nomenclature, calling it a "six pack" is the norm. A "crate of bud" would be interpreted as a very large quantity of cannabis.

[willin woodworks]

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It would take a very large quantity of cannabis to get me to drink even a bottle of Bud, much less a six pack....

[Peerie Maa]

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Gnat's piss indeed. As far as the nomenclature, calling it a "six pack" is the norm. A "crate of bud" would be interpreted as a very large quantity of cannabis.

Hmm, thanks for the info, but one six-pack of good beer would be a stingy reward for a gang of lads flipping and moving a boat.
Now, this is a crate.

[Jfitzger]

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Holy smokes, I sure missed a lot in the last few days. Including this gem.

Me: Hi, I'm new to all of this. What am I looking at here?

Some Dude: Flip the boat over using old tires.

Me: Uh... that's not an option for me.

Some Dude: HE IS REJECTING ALL SOLUTIONS.

Yikes, man.

I'll dig into all these other suggestions. Thanks, everyone!

Glad to see you didn't get chased off.

One thought is that you might be able to work on the boat at a boat yard. It will all depend on where you live but I have one about 30 minutes away where I store my sailboat when she's not on her mooring. They have no problem with people working on their boats and summer storage is only $230 for my 22' boat. You'll probably have better luck with places that aren't on the water and that are a little rough around the edges. The other advantage is if you get lucky there might be some knowledgeable people around.

This thread is one of my favorite for showing the down and dirty way to do rot repair.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?264360-One-matchstick-away&highlight=

Best of luck

[Garret]

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Hmm, thanks for the info, but one six-pack of good beer would be a stingy reward for a gang of lads flipping and moving a boat.
Now, this is a crate.

Separated by a common language. Here in the states, a 6 pack is 6 12 oz. beers (obviously) & a case is 4 6 packs - i.e. 24. "Crate" is not in general use when talking about beer (or horse piss if it's Budweiser).

[jpatrick]

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To the OP: My take from reading the responses is that the consensus is a good repair cannot be achieved by addressing it only from the inside. You must work from the bottom inward. Somebody had the analogy of trying to fix a leaky house roof by only going into the attic. Working on the bottom by lying on your back under the boat will be difficult. In my case, my 75 year old body would simply die there... or wish it were dead. Perhaps you can do it. Otherwise you'll have to figure out a way to flip the boat over. Probably in your driveway, then move it into the garage. I should think that only the most anal of neighbors would object to that. But you will know better.

Re. the crate of bud...... For whatever it's worth, knowing that a British fellow said it, I had no doubt he meant a sizable box of a certain brand of beer. There was no ambiguity. Personally I would not have suggested that brand. I care for my friends more than that.

Jeff

[Peerie Maa]

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To the OP: My take from reading the responses is that the consensus is a good repair cannot be achieved by addressing it only from the inside. You must work from the bottom inward. Somebody had the analogy of trying to fix a leaky house roof by only going into the attic. Working on the bottom by lying on your back under the boat will be difficult. In my case, my 75 year old body would simply die there... or wish it were dead. Perhaps you can do it. Otherwise you'll have to figure out a way to flip the boat over. Probably in your driveway, then move it into the garage. I should think that only the most anal of neighbors would object to that. But you will know better.
Jeff

When you have sorted out where you are going to do the repair, you have two differing bits of advice to resolve.

Oh Golly , It's a Tolly !!!

That is a well reguarded brand of boat around here.
The fir ply used is the best quality, quality that one cannot get in fir anymore.
I'd say tear out the fg repair that was done.
The MDO patch in the bow looks fine, if no discoloration beyond it is detected.
A few gallons of CPES ..a quart or two'll do it. Once it starts building up on the surface,STOP.



keep scraping ...the area between the edge of the "keelson" and the ply is the most important. Where wood MEETS wood is where trouble will lurk.
Scrape away on the outside bottom a bit, try and see how/if she is glassed.I think she is, but get down to the glass and scratchnsniff it. Polyester(the resin used to make fiberglass boats) has a strong styrene kind of smell. Epoxy has hardly any odor. Chances are, to fix the leak, you will have to remove some fiberglass from the outside, "open " up the seam between the ply and keel, use some epoxy putty/and all the drama that goes with a new product. Fix rot if any of course. Replacement of the fiberglass (dynel's what I would use) should be done all with epoxy resin. Do the boat a big favor and never let polyester near her !
Bruce

I restored runabouts for forty years. My judgement would be to replace the bottom. Fir plywood is a poor material. It often has voids; rot will just shoot along these voids.
Flip the boat over and put on a new bottom...you will have to scarf the pieces...used to be you could buy extra length plywood. I don't know if that is still possible. Glueing pieces together is not that hard. Good luck.
Better to do that than spot patch.

Strip the bottom down to clean wood, be careful not to ho through the outer lamination.
Then go over it with a light hammer, listening for dull sounding punky bits. Probe with a fine gimlet looking for rot. That will help you decide between Bruce's (Wizbangs) opinion or PCs advice. Get back to us with photos of what you find for further advice.

[chas]

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"Oh Golly , It's a Tolly !!!

That is a well reguarded brand of boat around here."

Tollycraft were known on the coast for quality design and build, as Wiz stated above. Well worth your effort in restoration I'd believe.
Are you restoring out in the open spaces or do you have a spot where you can control noise, dust, tool and material storage, etc.? These will have an impact on your ability to conduct efficient repairs without running of attracting unwanted attention from your neighbours. Good luck! / Jim

[peter radclyffe]

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if all the energy applied to this thread had been applied to your boat, it could have been repaired by now

[wizbang 13]

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whos energy ?

[peter radclyffe]

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all of us