Bilge Restoration

[rookiejack]

Re: Bilge Restoration

To roll over small plywood boat.
1. Unload from trailer.
2. Put a piece of wood across beam.
3. Put several old tires along one side.
4. Call a few friends to help.
5. Offer a refreshing beverage after task is accomplished.

Someday I hope to live somewhere that does not have an HOA that would immediately launch fine notices from orbit when their satellite detects an old tire on the property.

[rookiejack]

Re: Bilge Restoration

Totalbilge troll.is that like owatrol

Sorry, I don't understand.

[pcford]

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Sorry, I don't understand.

Owatrol used to be called Deks Olje. It is a satin finish oil.

[pcford]

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Someday I hope to live somewhere that does not have an HOA that would immediately launch fine notices from orbit when their satellite detects an old tire on the property.

Then you will have to become a bit creative and find a suitable appropriate space. You will need the space for a limited amount of time...even if you have to replace the entire bottom.

[Peerie Maa]

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Someday I hope to live somewhere that does not have an HOA that would immediately launch fine notices from orbit when their satellite detects an old tire on the property.

Borrow some straw bales from a local stable.
As to a work space, can you rent a 20 foot container?
Stop being so negative. PC is trying to help.

[Jfitzger]

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Borrow some straw bales from a local stable.
As to a work space, can you rent a 20 foot container?
Stop being so negative. PC is trying to help.

What kind of rarified bizarro land do you live in that has stables everywhere with loaner straw bales? A HOA that fines for an old tire it going to loss it over a shipping container. Your weirdly scolding tone is not helpful. I don't feel the OP is being negative, just trying to wrap his head around a new project.

To the OP, I do get the feeling this is a bit more work than your thinking. At a minimum you will have to remove some rotten plywood and apply patches from the outside followed by fabric and epoxy. It might be possible to do this from below but trying to glass overhead is a nightmare. It's possible on some boats to get the boat off the trailer by cranking the tongue jack all the way up and than constructing some blocking under the stern. Than crank the tongue all the way up and most of the boat is off the trailer. I wouldn't leave it that way for long so as not to distort the hall.

The nice thing about epoxy is it loves sloppy joinery. An oscillating multitool is a user friendly way to cut out rotten wood.

[Peerie Maa]

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What kind of rarified bizarro land do you live in that has stables everywhere with loaner straw bales? A HOA that fines for an old tire it going to loss it over a shipping container. Your weirdly scolding tone is not helpful. I don't feel the OP is being negative, just trying to wrap his head around a new project.

To the OP, I do get the feeling this is a bit more work than your thinking. At a minimum you will have to remove some rotten plywood and apply patches from the outside followed by fabric and epoxy. It might be possible to do this from below but trying to glass overhead is a nightmare. It's possible on some boats to get the boat off the trailer by cranking the tongue jack all the way up and than constructing some blocking under the stern. Than crank the tongue all the way up and most of the boat is off the trailer. I wouldn't leave it that way for long so as not to distort the hall.

The nice thing about epoxy is it loves sloppy joinery. An oscillating multitool is a user friendly way to cut out rotten wood.

Here I am, trying to get the guy's little grey cells working by suggesting some alternatives, and you go into "This job is too hard" mode.

[pcford]

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This is one of those cases when the questioner rejects all solutions which do not coincide with his own opinion.
Good luck bud.
You really should pass the boat along to someone who is actually prepared to do what is necessary.

[Peerie Maa]

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This is one of those cases when the questioner rejects all solutions which do not coincide with his own opinion.
Good luck bud.
You really should pass the boat along to someone who is actually prepared to do what is necessary.

Our design office suffered from that. A boat owner from one of the other offices would wander in and circulate around every drawing bench and desk, asking the same question of everyone in the hope of eventually getting the answer that he hoped for.

[pcford]

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hagar the horrible boat - Bing images

He won't want to hear any of that, Peter.

[Jfitzger]

Re: Bilge Restoration

Here I am, trying to get the guy's little grey cells working by suggesting some alternatives, and you go into "This job is too hard" mode.

I'm not sure if it would be possible for you to phrase that in way that would be more condescending to the OP. I certain did not go into, "This job is too hard" mode. I actual offered suggestions that addressed some of his concerns and pointed out that your out of touch advise was useless and your tone off-putting.

I've got more and more frustrated through the years watching newbies getting driven away by certain cranky, smug, out of touch people on the forum. For someone who is completely new to boat repair I've noticed most people go through something that resembles the five stages of grief. When newbies hit the forums they tend to be somewhere between denial and bargaining. It's ridiculous to get upset because someone doesn't immediately drop all their preconceived notions and do what you say. I think it often has more to do with the ego of certain forum members having an issue with others not immediately bowing down to their authority.

It's no wonder to me that wooden boat ownership is dying out when this gate keeping behavior is so common. There is no one to pass this boat on to. If the OP doesn't get it running it will rot. There are thousands of these boats rotting away and the vast majority of prospective boat owners will spend the same amount of money on a fiberglass boat that needs a quarter the work. If the OP does a mediocre repair that buys the boat a few years, good for him. He'll learn to do it better next time.

Not everyone has a lifetime of boat work under their belt. A majority of people have little experience outside of an office. If there is any hope for people to take care of older boats made we should have a bit more patience with people that are new to it.

[icenine]

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Not everyone has a lifetime of boat work under their belt. A majority of people have little experience outside of an office. If there is any hope for people to take care of older boats made we should have a bit more patience with people that are new to it.

Some things are simply common sense and should be self-evident to anyone, irrespective their experience. Perhaps it's best to think of the hull in the context of a leaking roof. Does one repair a leaking roof from the attic? I think not.

[Jfitzger]

Re: Bilge Restoration

Some things are simply common sense and should be self-evident to anyone, irrespective their experience.

What you call common sense is a learned skill. I've had many incredibly intelligent clients, doctors, professors, that would have no clue that you shouldn't repair a hull or a roof from the inside. Thinking about the world in a mechanical way is not something a lot of people do anymore. It is a skill people can learn as an adult if given chance.

Does one repair a leaking roof from the attic? I think not.

You are right which is why I stated he needed to be able to patch from the underside.

[Garret]

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Wow. A guy who says right out that he knows nothing about wood boats comes here to ask some questions & people jump his case. He lives in a place that won't allow a container or any of the other suggestions. Maybe some of the folks responding so rudely have never lived in a place like that, but they are common here in the US & you truly are restricted. No clotheslines, no extra cars, controlled garden plantings (if a garden is allowed at all), etc.

It may be that he doesn't have the money to rent a place where he can work on it as you would - does that make him unwilling to listen? No - it makes the folks complaining about him come off poorly.

IMO, either try to help him realistically, or just don't post.

To the OP: Sorry you've been treated this way - though I think some have tried to honestly help. I believe that the folks saying you'll need to see what it's like on the bottom are correct. While not fun, a boat can be lifted a couple of feet off the trailer & worked on there. Maybe get a few friends to help you move the stern off the trailer so the bow is up in the air, then do the work, then get them to help you get it back on? Of course it can't be tippy when you're under it!

Best of luck.

[Peerie Maa]

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Wow. A guy who says right out that he knows nothing about wood boats comes here to ask some questions & people jump his case. He lives in a place that won't allow a container or any of the other suggestions. Maybe some of the folks responding so rudely have never lived in a place like that, but they are common here in the US & you truly are restricted. No clotheslines, no extra cars, controlled garden plantings (if a garden is allowed at all), etc.

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Truly the Land of the Free.