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  • A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

    It's been a long time coming, but I have finally got started on that Eric Hvalsoe dinghy I have mentioned on my "Kotik, Kotik, Kotik!" thread.

    In my younger days I did a lot of canoeing and kayaking and camping on and by rivers, lakes and the sea, and then by my “sail and oar” (motorless) Swampscott dory Clarsach. On my “Big Retirement Trip” in 2004 Alison and I visited the Centre for Wooden Boats in Seattle and discovered the existence of Port Townsend. On our return home I built my Eun na Mara Islesburgh, designed by Iain Oughtred, from 2005 to 2008. After that we went to five Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festivals, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2017 and 2018. Always different, always good! I went to as many of the practical demonstrations put on by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding as I could and Alison went to lectures on cruising. We spent pleasant times with David Jones and his Eun na Mara Suzanne (and later with Steve Borgstrom and his EM Marianita), and with the “Sail and Oar” people. I saw Eric’s own HV16 Bandwagon on the hard and in the water at different shows, and had some friendly discussions with him. I was further encouraged by the forum threads of Rich Jones and Jeff Patrick (I met Jeff, too). I bought both Eric’s HV16 and HV13 plans at different times, but various things got in the way, including three more boats (Sooty Tern Trondra, Kotik Kotik, and my lock-down project Feather Pram), and an unrelated health problem which is now resolved, I'm pleased to say. Aged 78, I have decided that the HV13 is more practical for me now, for fine days on our local harbour.

    On our 2017 trip we visited the Centre for Wooden Boats again, where I hired their HV15 and rowed it up the middle of Lake Union with the Victoria seaplanes roaring in and out on both sides of me, which was quite exciting! The boat rowed very nicely.

    I have built several kayaks over the years, by various methods, restored my dory, and now, after building four of Iain Oughtred's plywood/epoxy boats, excellent as they are, I will be building this one by a different method, the "old-fashioned way”, as it was originally designed for. I have most of the books on the subject, and as well as watching the demonstrations at Port Townsend, have attended a course at WoodenBoat School where I had "hands on" experience of traditional construction in Thad Danielson's class. The course and Thad’s book will be of real benefit to this boat. There are also all the very fine videos by Off Center Harbor and others, which no doubt many of us are familiar with these days.

    So, over the last year or so, we got my old building frame down from the workshop ceiling and set it up with two sheets of construction plywood (which will become a steam-box in due course), topped it with 3mm MDF, and painted it white as a lofting board. On 17th May just gone, I drew the lofting grid, and have now completed the lofting and made cardboard patterns for the moulds. I expect to be able to work at it fairly steadily now. I like using a boat but I like building one too!

    Links:

    Access Google Sites with a personal Google account or Google Workspace account (for business use).




    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?231482-Building-a-Hvalsoe-13



    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?177857-Hvalsoe-18

    Small Boats Monthly articles on HV 16 Bandwagon and HV 18 Haverchuck.

    Here are some lofting photos. Lofting was part of Thad’s class. At the time, I saw the transom and the rabbeted stem as future challenges, which are shown here. I also looked at the thread “Lofting the Brewer Catboat” by Jim Ledger, and found his stem on page 21, done the same way.

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    I have made cardboard patterns from the lofting, and am in the process of making the moulds out of my old Kotik moulds.

    Cheers,
    Ian
    Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
    Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

    “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
    Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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    Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

    Enjoy the build. I've still got my HV13 station molds stacked against a wall in my shop.
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
    Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.

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    • #3
      Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

      Enjoy the build Ian, I’m pulling up a seat. I Didn’t get which model you’re doing Ian?
      Last edited by Andrew Donald; 06-07-2022, 02:35 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

        Ian, you're the epitome of the phrase "You can't keep a good man down".
        Will be following along and enjoying the process of you building one of these fine looking craft.

        Cheers,
        Mike.
        Focus on the effort not the outcome.

        Whatever floats your boat.

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        • #5
          Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

          Party On, Ian!!! You are an inspiration.

          Jeff

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          • #6
            Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

            You can stop building boats any time you want to - you just choose not to.
            Alex

            “It's only those who do nothing that make no mistakes, I suppose.” - Joseph Conrad, An Outcast of the Islands

            http://www.alexzimmerman.ca

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            • #7
              Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

              Thanks, guys. Good to have you along for the ride.
              It's the HV13, Andrew. I see that wasn't very clear.
              I enjoyed your book, Alex.
              Cheers,
              Ian
              Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
              Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

              “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
              Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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              • #8
                Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                Clear as water Ian , just west islanders can’t read.

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                • #9
                  Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                  Hi Guys,
                  I haven't been entirely idle, just a bit slow with the postings.

                  I made the moulds out of my Kotik moulds, but the pieces weren't all big enough to take them down to the baseline, so I had to add bits on, which increased the chances of slight inaccuracies. I had to do a bit of shimming up here and there to get them all to line up on the waterlines properly. I did this before I had screwed the posts to the cross-beams.

                  Here is the set-up.

                  View from for'ard.
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                  View from aft.
                  P1040113.jpg

                  I made a cardboard pattern of the stern profile from the lofting,
                  P1040116.jpg

                  and set up the support for the transom. (The tops of the uprights will be sawn off in due course.)
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                  This is Ye Olde Nail Trick for making the stem pattern from the lofting, including the rabbet, middle and bearding lines.
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                  (to be continued.)

                  Ian
                  Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
                  Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

                  “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
                  Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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                    Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                    And here is the cardboard stem pattern propped up to establish its correct position, to leave enough length on the top of the real one when I make it, to attach it directly to the building frame. I intend to leave the knuckle at the forefoot. Others have rounded it off a bit.
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                    Now, to change the subject, I would like to use macrocarpa (cypress) for the planking, which I can get just down the road, but I have read that it can't be steamed, and the forward ends of the first three planks will need to be steamed to get the twist in them. So, I rigged up a couple of my primitive steaming devices,
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                    trimmed a piece of macrocarpa to 9mm (3/8") thick, and steamed it for half an hour. It came out like this:
                    Tied to one of my old moulds, overnight:
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                    and untied.
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                    I will do some more experimenting....

                    I've got an old oak bed-end (the last of four) for the transom. I will have to buy something for the stem, but will practise cutting a rabbet (rebate) on some scrap stuff first.

                    Cheers,
                    Ian
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                    Last edited by IanMilne; 07-05-2022, 05:18 AM.
                    Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
                    Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

                    “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
                    Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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                    • #11
                      Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                      Very hard to imagine you idle Ian.
                      Getting along well Ian. Geez that stem/nail pattern is busy! I bet you’re feeling great with how much room you have to move in the shed for this build. I’d call that success for the steaming. A twist with a bit of bend may be telling?
                      Connie, her Mum and I are in Italy for 2 1/2 months trying to sell their family home (on the foothills of Etna) but wading through the bureauocacy (?) is like swimming up the rapids. Long story. It’s looking like we’ll have to go back again to finish the task.
                      looking forward to your next instalment. Thanks for posting.
                      Last edited by Andrew Donald; 07-02-2022, 08:43 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                        Looking forward to following along Ian. Very much enjoyed your build of Kotic, though I must say you are making all of younger men look lazy! Hard to stop doing what we love, isn't it? And what's not to love about making shavings and having something beautiful to enjoy at the end? You've set the bar high, we'll be watching!

                        Ken
                        When the desire to learn is greater than the desire to win, the journey becomes the prize.

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                        • #13
                          Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                          Thanks, Andrew. I wondered if you were still over there in Sicily, Andrew. Gee, living anywhere near Mt Etna must be a bit nervous-making. I suppose the locals get used to the idea. I hope you can sell the house soon, and have a good trip back.
                          Thanks for the encouragement about the steaming. I'll steam another piece of macrocarpa and see if I can twist it.
                          There is just the Feather Pram in the workshop now, with a tarp. over it. It's been finished for a year but we haven't even launched it yet! We'll wait for warmer weather for that. Building it was good experience for what I'm doing now.

                          Thanks, Ken. Glad you enjoyed Kotik. What you say is very true. I always like having a boat on the stocks, and then being able to use it. Nice Tammie Norrie you have coming along. No pressure.

                          Cheers,
                          Ian
                          Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
                          Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

                          “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
                          Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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                            Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                            Re the steaming of macrocarpa. I understand what is marketed as "macrocarpa" in your part of the country often includes a small percentage of lawsons cypress (ie port orford cedar) which I think is steamable. Here in the Auckland area "macrocarpa" often includes lusitanica (mexican cypress). Lawsons cypress has a rather pronounced peppery smell, suggest you take several samples from different batches, see if you can detect a difference in smell, then try the steaming exercise again.

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                            • #15
                              Re: A Hvalsoe Dinghy in New Zealand

                              Thanks for that advice, Graeme. Good to hear from a NZer. The macrocarpa I get is all from the same yard, which has a large barn full of sawn stuff to the standard sizes. I haven't been there yet about this boat, but I will ask about those other varieties. What I have used has a pleasant sweet smell, is nice to work with, and looks like kauri. It is my default softwood, for deck framing and other things. I am assuming that it is cupressus macrocarpa, aka (to some) Monterey cypress. I will have another go at steaming some tomorrow. I have the book "New Zealand Timbers", by N.C. Clifton, which is an excellent reference. He lists those other kinds too.
                              Regards,
                              Ian
                              Last edited by IanMilne; 07-05-2022, 05:16 AM. Reason: sp.
                              Old Joke: ‘A bench fitter works to the nearest thousandth of an inch. A loco fitter (steam) works to the nearest inch. A shipwright works to the nearest ship’.”
                              Alan Byde, Canoe Design and Construction, Pelham Books, 1978

                              “...old maxim, 'A fair line supersedes any given measurement'.”
                              Allan H. Vaitses, Lofting, International Marine, 1980

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