The believed abstraction of a 12 foot clinker dinghy.

[IanMilne]

Re: The believed abstraction of a 12 foot clinker dinghy.

Thanks for the details of your painting method. Worth the effort of doing it again.
That 1880 dinghy is inspirational.

Ian

[KenStocker]

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I probably sound like a broken record, but your work is stunning. More patience and skill than the rest of us combined. The results show it. Wowser! And as Ian said above, if I ever do inherit patience, (like in someone's will)knowing the techniques are something I can definitely learn from. Where did you learn all this stuff?

Ken

[Max F]

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"I’ma bit of a Pilot Cutter tragic too Max, so I think that you might have a duty to seek a few out and share them with us when you’re there."

I´ll do if possible Greg. Promissed.

Cheers Max

[John B]

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You are certainly a stalwart of the classic boating scene here in NZ, John.
The weather that weekend wasn't the best, 78 knots at Manakau heads apparently, sideways rain, we kept the big doors shut otherwise it would have been a wind tunnel in there.
That Cezanne is a voluminous boat, quite the beam but all proportioned in typical Des Townson fashion.

Cheers,
Mike.

Dunno about stalwart Mike, but if you're around long enough I suppose part of the furniture would be right. Although now thats changed since our move from Waitland to Wetland. Anyway thanks for the compliment and the thread and yard visit , certainly stirs a number of memories.
Ron and Michelle are a delight too, and Rons work restoring Nomad was absolutely to the highest standard. I've seen the rowboat but pre restoration, so thats great to see as well.

[Mike1902]

Re: The believed abstraction of a 12 foot clinker dinghy.

Thanks for the details of your painting method. Worth the effort of doing it again.
That 1880 dinghy is inspirational.

Ian

My pleasure, Ian.
The 2K quick dry additive certainly helps with the flow, has a few nasty ingredients though.
I wear a 3M mask with carbon filters when painting with the 2K/oil based enamels.
The workshop is vented while painting but once the painting is finished and depending on the time of year, the shop is closed up and the inside temp increased to speed up the drying.

That longish and narrow dinghy would have been an interesting boat to sail, especially with the mast positioned all the way forward like that.

Cheers,
Mike.

I probably sound like a broken record, but your work is stunning. More patience and skill than the rest of us combined. The results show it. Wowser! And as Ian said above, if I ever do inherit patience, (like in someone's will)knowing the techniques are something I can definitely learn from. Where did you learn all this stuff?

Ken

Thank you for the nice words, Ken.
The skill and patience shown by members of this forum over the years have been, and still are, an inspiration.
I was a long time lurker before I had the necessary project that I felt I could share.
The partial restoration of Janet could have been, but at that time I was blogging on the NZCYA Forum ( now defunct), which is a pity as there was a lot of information lost.

I hope my posts do not come across as showing off, what I am trying to convey is that with proper preparation a better result can be achieved by anyone.

Where did I learn all this stuff?

Just stuff you pick up over a lifetime of working in and with the trades, You Tube helps.
Mucking around in my dads workshop from the age of 5, helping with doing up and building boats, cars, motorbikes until I had my own to work on.
I am a carpenter by trade and spent many years restoring, altering and adding to old homes.
A lot of those houses required the restoration of built in joinery, windows, doors etc which I would do.
There was also a lot of painting involved.
Talking with your fellow tradies helps with learning the tricks.
I never allowed myself to be put in a box, house carpenters were considered less skilled than joiners, cabinet and furniture makers, boat builders but don't let others tell you what your limitations are.
When I learned my trade we did it all. Setting out, foundations ( solid concrete and piles) built the frames, roof framing, roof claddings, wall claddings internal and external, joinery, finishing, painting, tiling, even helped the electricians and plumbers on occasion. We made doors, the door frames, hung the doors and fit the hardware. Doesn't happen so much these days for the modern building apprentice unfortunately.
I call myself a carpenter, so if it's wood, it's good.
Ron Copeland the gentleman mentioned in one of my recent posts is a mechanic by trade, but the standard of work that he achieves across a number of mediums is outstanding.
Anyway, that's probably a way longer an answer than you were expecting, Ken.

Cheers,
Mike.

[Mike1902]

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Dunno about stalwart Mike, but if you're around long enough I suppose part of the furniture would be right. Although now thats changed since our move from Waitland to Wetland. Anyway thanks for the compliment and the thread and yard visit , certainly stirs a number of memories.
Ron and Michelle are a delight too, and Rons work restoring Nomad was absolutely to the highest standard. I've seen the rowboat but pre restoration, so thats great to see as well.

We were invited in for a cuppa where the conversation carried on about all things boat while Michelle gazed serenely out to that view.
What a great spot.
Peter has invited Ron out on Rawhiti sometime in the future.
The guys blood is worth bottling.

Waitland to Wetland, haha, that's great...and yet somehow an extremely accurate description.

Cheers,
Mike.

[KenStocker]

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Not at all too long Mike. It actually does explain a lot. I have done a fair amount of woodworking throughout my life, but nothing like that. But finish work has never been my forte'. (That's being kind...wipe-on stain and move on!)I seriously don't have much patience. Temperature, thinning, all of that never entered my mind. So your tips make a difference in showing us how to achieve those results. Don't think of it as showing off, it's much more like showing how! Not going to promise it'll give me patience, but it's a start!

Ken

[Priscilla]

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Both Ron and Michelle Copeland need further recognition for the vast amount of time and effort they selflessly dedicated to successfully securing both the Ports of Auckland and Westhaven Marina to remain in public ownership along with the resurrection of the Ponsonby Cruising Club.
That Logan sailing dinghy is a national treasure…

[Mike1902]

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The red dot and arrowhead idea for the sheer stripe may disappear in favour of a continuous red line with the tapered ends.
The two "spacers" between the stripe, dot, and arrow just look to break the sheer line/stripe a little to much.

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Looking up at it doesn't seem to bad but...well...you know.

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The red scroll is staying.
I think the colour will look even better in natural light.

Cheers,
Mike.

[Mike1902]

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The attention has now turned more toward the cockpit coamings.
These will be made of Kauri, they will have a capping plus a 12mm radiused quarter round detail around the outside covering the join between the deck and the upstand.
I was hoping to get four 5mm thick rippings out of a 30mm (1 1/4") thick board but being an ex work bench top from a science classroom, the acid stains ran a bit deep, causing the wood to turn brown and have the consistency of pumice.
By the time these stains and other blemished/ gouges had been removed from both faces, I ended up with two 9mm (3/8") thick boards.
They will be joined amidships at the forward and aft ends and will be steam bent into position.
There is a risk of creating a knuckle in the coaming when joining on a curve but the radius is quite big and I have plans in place to stop this happening (blocking and wedges where necessary).
The capping will be continuous around the fore and aft curves and will join midway along the sides.

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Left photo shows ideal grain orientation along the edges for the steam bending.
Right photo is the bottom edge of the coamings after they had been cut off the pattern, they will have an edge bead detail applied.
The join will be a butt join with a spline, reason being I will be springing in the second piece and need the square end as a stop.
The capping will cover the splined joint.
The forward join will be hidden by the mast, the aft join will be mostly out of sight because I'll be looking forward most of the time, plus I want the look of an unbroken grain on the face running along each side.

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Left photo shows the coaming pattern in position with the top edge shaped to just about the finished sheer.
The height above deck around the forward curve is 50mm (2"), the height around the aft curve is 35mm (1 3/8").
A fairing batten was placed between these heights at the turn of the coaming along the side decks to create a blended curve, this may still have some adjustments made to create more sheer once the coamings have been permanently fitted.
When weight out is required, sitting along the side decks will be made more comfortable with a padded seat attached with straps to the underside of the deck that will flip over the coaming.
Tomorrow I plan to cut the sheer line into the coaming stock readying for the steam up and fit this weekend.

Cheers,
Mike.

[IanMilne]

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"I hope my posts do not come across as showing off, what I am trying to convey is that with proper preparation a better result can be achieved by anyone.
Where did I learn all this stuff?" (Mike in #1130.)

That's a very interesting history, Mike. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your experience in this excellent thread!

Cheers,
Ian

[Mike1902]

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That's a very interesting history, Mike. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your experience in this excellent thread!

Cheers,
Ian

Thankyou for showing interest, Ian and thanks again for the positive comments.

Cheers,
Mike.

The portside coaming was steamed in today with the help of a mate.
The coaming measures 9mm (3/8") in thickness and averages 100mm (4") in width. It was steamed for 3/4 of an hour, which was plenty.
I had made up an especially shaped bock to pull the coaming into the aft quarter plus another block that sat against the outer quarter to help spread the load.

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An edge bead detail was routered along the bottom edge before going in to the steam box.

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Starboard side tomorrow.

Cheers,
Mike.

[Mike1902]

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The coamings have been steamed and bent into place to dry.

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When the moisture content had dropped to 12%, they were removed and the lower unseen edge of the face that sits against/below the carlin was sealed with epoxy as this will be difficult to get at once the coamings are permanently in place.

I have been playing around with capping shapes.

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Will be interesting to see if this one steam bends around those aft quarters in one piece.

Cheers,
Mike.

[jamieduff1981]

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This is absolutely lovely work, and very much something for someone who is inexperienced at boat building (like me) to aspire to.

[Mike1902]

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This is absolutely lovely work, and very much something for someone who is inexperienced at boat building (like me) to aspire to.

Thank you very much, Jamie.
It is nice to hear from readers of this thread, especially when they are gaining something from the posts.
My experience has been tested this week however in regard to the coaming capping.
I can see an end result, getting there is requiring a bit of trial and error but that's all part of the learning experience.

Cheers,
Mike.