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    Wow.. That's come a long way from our initial posts about tapered gears and involute tooth forms. Nice work!!
    Now is a good time!

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      The time has finally come to see if the quadrant will actually work as hoped. Enough clutter has been shoved aside to allow the wheelbox to be made and all the parts to be assembled to working order. I'm glad that I made what I did when I did because I have serious doubts about my ability to do this again.

      Hey, last resort, I can always go rope-and-pulley.





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        So? How'd it go? I installed an Edson rack and pinion steering system in ANNIE. It took considerable time filing, first by Edson, then in my shop, before the gears meshed smoothly, end to end.

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          Originally posted by Thad
          So? How'd it go? I installed an Edson rack and pinion steering system in ANNIE. It took considerable time filing, first by Edson, then in my shop, before the gears meshed smoothly, end to end.

          It’s going, Thad. I remember doing much filing when I cast the parts to get the gear to roll smoothly. At this early stage I can turn the shaft with a pair of vice grips from end to end without binding. However, that may change once I’m able to secure the forward bearing. There will also be a rubbing pad installed beneath the quadrant to restrain it’s movement up and down.

          Jim

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            [QUOTE=Jim Ledger;6863003 There will also be a rubbing pad installed beneath the quadrant to restrain it’s movement up and down.

            Jim[/QUOTE]
            Got any spare sheaves to make a roller under and parallel to the pinion axle? Low friction and zero wear solution.
            It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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              Originally posted by Peerie Maa
              Got any spare sheaves to make a roller under and parallel to the pinion axle? Low friction and zero wear solution.

              I suppose, Nick,that I could make some kind of roller to support the quadrant from underneath. The difficulty would be making a support which is sufficiently strong while being completely invisible.

              My original thinking involved some bacon grease slathered on a Lignum Vitae rubbing block that could be shimmed to account for wear.

              Jim

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                Whot? No T&G panelled box to cover the gubbins and keep crap out of the works?
                It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                  Originally posted by Jim Ledger
                  I suppose, Nick,that I could make some kind of roller to support the quadrant from underneath. The difficulty would be making a support which is sufficiently strong while being completely invisible.

                  My original thinking involved some bacon grease slathered on a Lignum Vitae rubbing block that could be shimmed to account for wear.

                  Jim
                  I suspect some friction may be your friend here. I would leave room or make provision for adjustment to take up for wear amidships.
                  A block of PTFE (Teflon) would be plenty good...

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                    Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                    Whot? No T&G panelled box to cover the gubbins and keep crap out of the works?

                    Calm yourself, Nick, all's well. Of course there will be a box of sorts to protect the delicate mechanisms from the elements. Things would be much easier if that was all the box had to do, but no, there's more. The seats need some kind of logical termination about halfway up. The engine controls need a logical and useable place to call home. It would be nice if the top were a comfy perch. The inside would make a handy lazarette, and so needs some kind of door or hatch in the front. The box provides the best place to ventilate the entire stern portion of the boat, so some kind of louver might be advantageous. And the wheel needs a lot of support as it's the obvious place to hang on to when the need arises. And nothing can leak.

                    So, I cut up some leftover bits to represent the sides of the box. Pretend they're tongue and groove. The front has been cut parallel to the angle of the transom because the steering shaft runs perpendicular to the transom, which simplifies the set up of the steering. I want the top angled down towards the stern and have clamped a stick onto the top of one side to represent one possibility. Also, I want some crown to the top, it sheds water, is comfortable to sit upon and looks good. And, it goes without saying, that the top needs to be easily removeable to get at the works below.

                    It's a bit big, I know. It can be tweaked smaller, but, like engine boxes, extra elbow room is often appreciated.


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                      Originally posted by Jim Ledger
                      There will also be a rubbing pad installed beneath the quadrant to restrain it’s movement up and down.

                      Jim
                      Would a pad of black acetal (POM/polyoxymethylene) as a low friction base be suitable for that Jim?
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                        Originally posted by Jim Ledger
                        And nothing can leak.
                        Want to take bets on that, hmmm?

                        Originally posted by Larks
                        Would a pad of black acetal (POM/polyoxymethylene) as a low friction base be suitable for that Jim?
                        Delrin's the same POM stuff, maybe with some kind of screw-in wedge to account for wear? Or oil-impregnated bronze?
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                          And the box has to be comfy to sit on so you can lean back against the coaming and steer with your feet....

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                            Originally posted by Canoeyawl
                            I suspect some friction may be your friend here. I would leave room or make provision for adjustment to take up for wear amidships.
                            A block of PTFE (Teflon) would be plenty good...


                            Originally posted by Larks
                            Would a pad of black acetal (POM/polyoxymethylene) as a low friction base be suitable for that Jim?



                            Originally posted by sp_clark; [FONT=Verdana
                            Delrin's the same POM stuff, maybe with some kind of screw-in wedge to account for wear? Or oil-impregnated bronze?
                            [/FONT]

                            Thank you all for the most excellent suggestions for low-friction materials. There seems to be no shortage. However, I do have some pieces of Lignum Vitae that happen to have some faults which makes them useless for other applications, splits and so forth. My plan, such as it is, is to make a crosswise beam, supported by the sides of the wheelbox, and located directly underneath the quadrant. The top of the beam will be morticed to hold the block in easy contact with the underside of the quadrant. This way the block of material can be shimmed upwards as needed and replaced eventually.


                            Originally posted by sp_clark
                            Want to take bets on that, hmmm?

                            That the wheelbox won't leak, Clark? I think that if the lid's on we'll be okay. After all, it's only rain and spray we need concern ourselves with, any green water will bring bigger worries.




                            Originally posted by willin woodworks
                            And the box has to be comfy to sit on so you can lean back against the coaming and steer with your feet....

                            This^^^

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                              Looks good, Jim!

                              But, what type of wall hanging will you use to replace the quadrant?



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                                Originally posted by Breakaway
                                Looks good, Jim!

                                But, what type of wall hanging will you use to replace the quadrant?



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                                Why, that battered old tin which used to hold the bacon grease, of course ! ! !
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