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  • oznabrag
    Historical Illiterate
    • Nov 2008
    • 40801

    #31
    Re: Better education please

    Originally posted by Rum_Pirate
    You avoid addressing points made regarding your statement "That's because The Republican Party is a criminal organization at its core, founded in racism, greed and corruption." and . . .

    Woosh! . . . and another post goes straight over your head.

    You are incorrect.

    It is MY post that has gone over YOUR head.

    Even though I overtly stated that my post was intended to mock bobbys' post, you refuse to understand that.

    What was the name of that Jethro Tull album from 1972?

    I can't seem to recall.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    • Keith Wilson
      Trying to be reasonable
      • Oct 1999
      • 64123

      #32
      Re: Better education please

      Interestingly it seems little has changed (since 27 February 1860) 258 years in the references to Republicans by non-republicans/Democratic Party supporters
      Lordy. So supporters of one party have often said nasty things about supporters of the other. But remember that February 1860 was nine months before the secession of South Carolina and and beginning of the US Civil War, and one would expect that the rhetoric would have been getting a bit overheated.

      It should be obvious that while US political parties may have the same names as they did 150 years ago, the similarity ends there.
      "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
      for nature cannot be fooled."

      Richard Feynman

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      • Rum_Pirate
        Banned
        • Apr 2007
        • 22881

        #33
        Re: Better education please

        Originally posted by oznabrag
        Slavery/White Privilege/Racism is the festering sore that gnaws away at the Constitution every day.

        It is the fatal flaw in our society.

        It fuels the division.

        It is easily exploited by populist demagogues to break down any semblance of justice.

        It erupted into inter-regional violence to the tune of 600,000 dead in 1860, and despite massive efforts at eradication a hundred years later it is now poised to rip this nation to shreds in the unprecedented horror of a true civil war, complete with genocide.

        There are participants on this forum who have all but openly advocated for the destruction of our republic through liberal genocide for the purpose of enforcing their own need for white privilege, however it may be disguised and buried within their souls.

        "inter-regional violence to the tune of 600,000 dead in 1860".

        Ah yes, when the Democratic Party supported slavery (racism).

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        • bobbys
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 30711

          #34
          Re: Better education please

          The OP has no solutions nor ideas for whats happening right under his nose yet he digs out racism everywhere else to relive his white liberal guilt.

          Cue the white libs from cape cod.

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          • Rum_Pirate
            Banned
            • Apr 2007
            • 22881

            #35
            Re: Better education please

            Originally posted by oznabrag
            Slavery/White Privilege/Racism is the festering sore that gnaws away at the Constitution every day.

            Interesting read here:
            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-...b_5269255.htmlExplaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person



            By Gina Crosley-Corcoran

            Years ago some feminist on the Internet told me I was “privileged.”

            “THE F&CK!?!?” I said.

            I came from the kind of poor that people don’t want to believe still exists in this country.
            Have you ever spent a frigid northern-Illinois winter without heat or running water?
            I have.
            At 12 years old were you making ramen noodles in a coffee maker with water you fetched from a public bathroom?
            I was.
            Have you ever lived in a camper year-round and used a random relative’s apartment as your mailing address?
            We did.
            Did you attend so many different elementary schools that you can only remember a quarter of their names?
            Welcome to my childhood.

            This is actually a much nicer trailer setup than the one I grew up in.

            So when that feminist told me I had “white privilege,” I told her that my white skin didn’t do **** to prevent me from experiencing poverty.

            Then, like any good, educated feminist would, she directed me to Peggy McIntosh’s now-famous 1988 piece “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack.”

            After one reads McIntosh’s powerful essay, it’s impossible to deny that being born with white skin in America affords people certain unearned privileges in life that people of other skin colors simply are not afforded. For example:

            “I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.”


            “When I am told about our national heritage or about ‘civilization,’ I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.”

            “If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.”

            “I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.”


            If you read through the rest of the list, you can see how white people and people of color experience the world in very different ways. But listen: This is not said to make white people feel guilty about their privilege. It’s not your fault that you were born with white skin and experience these privileges. But whether you realize it or not, you do benefit from it, and it is your fault if you don’t maintain awareness of that fact.

            I do understand that McIntosh’s essay may rub some people the wrong way. There are several points on the list that I felt spoke more to the author’s status as a middle-class person than to her status as a white person. For example:

            “If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area, which I can afford and in which I would want to live.”


            “I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.”

            “I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.”

            “If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.”


            And there are so many more points in the essay where the word “class” could be substituted for the word “race,” which would ultimately paint a very different picture. That is why I had such a hard time identifying with this essay for so long. When I first wrote about white privilege years ago, I demanded to know why this white woman felt that my experiences were the same as hers when, no, my family most certainly could not rent housing “in an area which we could afford and want to live,” and no, I couldn’t go shopping without fear in our low-income neighborhoods.

            The idea that any ol’ white person can find a publisher for a piece is most certainly a symptom of class privilege. Having come from a family of people who didn’t even graduate from high school, who knew not a single academic or intellectual person, it would never occur to me to assume that I could be published. It is absolutely a freak anomaly that I’m in graduate school, considering that not one person on either side of my family has a college degree. And it took me until my 30s to ever believe that someone from my stock could achieve such a thing. Poverty colors nearly everything about your perspective on opportunities for advancement in life.
            Middle-class, educated people assume that anyone can achieve their goals if they work hard enough. Folks steeped in poverty rarely see a life past working at the gas station, making the rent on their trailer, and self-medicating with cigarettes and prescription drugs until they die of a heart attack. (I’ve just described one whole side of my family and the life I assumed I’d be living before I lucked out of it.)

            I, maybe more than most people, can completely understand why broke white folks get pissed when the word “privilege” is thrown around. As a child I was constantly discriminated against because of my poverty, and those wounds still run very deep.
            But luckily my college education introduced me to a more nuanced concept of privilege: the term “intersectionality.”
            The concept of intersectionality recognizes that people can be privileged in some ways and definitely not privileged in others.
            There are many different types of privilege, not just skin-color privilege, that impact the way people can move through the world or are discriminated against.
            These are all things you are born into, not things you earned, that afford you opportunities that others may not have. For example:

            Citizenship:
            Simply being born in this country affords you certain privileges that non-citizens will never access.

            Class:
            Being born into a financially stable family can help guarantee your health, happiness, safety, education, intelligence, and future opportunities.

            Sexual orientation:
            If you were born straight, every state in this country affords you privileges that non-straight folks have to fight the Supreme Court for.

            Sex:
            If you were born male, you can assume that you can walk through a parking garage without worrying that you’ll be raped and then have to deal with a defense attorney blaming it on what you were wearing.

            Ability:
            If you were born able-bodied, you probably don’t have to plan your life around handicap access, braille, or other special needs.

            Gender identity:
            If you were born cisgender (that is, your gender identity matches the sex you were assigned at birth), you don’t have to worry that using the restroom or locker room will invoke public outrage.
            As you can see, belonging to one or more category of privilege, especially being a straight, white, middle-class, able-bodied male, can be like winning a lottery you didn’t even know you were playing.
            But this is not to imply that any form of privilege is exactly the same as another, or that people lacking in one area of privilege understand what it’s like to be lacking in other areas. Race discrimination is not equal to sex discrimination and so forth.

            And listen: Recognizing privilege doesn’t mean suffering guilt or shame for your lot in life. Nobody’s saying that straight, white, middle-class, able-bodied males are all a bunch of assholes who don’t work hard for what they have.

            Recognizing privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted (if they ever can experience them at all).

            I know now that I am privileged in many ways.
            I am privileged as a natural-born white citizen.
            I am privileged as a cisgender woman.
            I am privileged as an able-bodied person.
            I am privileged that my first language is also our national language, and that I was born with an intellect and ambition that pulled me out of the poverty that I was otherwise destined for.
            I was privileged to be able to marry my way “up” by partnering with a privileged, middle-class, educated male who fully expected me to earn a college degree.
            There are a million ways I experience privilege, and some that I certainly don’t.
            But thankfully, intersectionality allows us to examine these varying dimensions and degrees of discrimination while raising awareness of the results of multiple systems of oppression at work.

            Tell me: Are you a white person who’s felt uncomfortable with the term “white privilege”? Does a more nuanced approach help you see your own privilege more clearly?

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            • David G
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2003
              • 89765

              #36
              Re: Better education please

              Originally posted by oznabrag
              I've been saying this for years.
              One of the reasons your voice has been missed. None of us wants to confront this uncomfortable, and seemingly intractable, truth. And yet... if we don't... our grand experiment in self-governance will come to naught.
              David G
              Harbor Woodworks
              https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/

              "It was a Sunday morning and Goddard gave thanks that there were still places where one could worship in temples not made by human hands." -- L. F. Herreshoff (The Compleat Cruiser)

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              • bobbys
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 30711

                #37
                Re: Better education please

                Originally posted by oznabrag
                Oklahoma is completely Republican run, yet hardly any blacks live there, because they passed a law that said no blacks allowed right after the Civil War.

                That's because The Republican Party is a criminal organization at its core, founded in racism, greed and corruption.
                Who in the heck wants to live in Oklahoma?

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                • bobbys
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 30711

                  #38
                  Re: Better education please

                  Originally posted by David G
                  One of the reasons your voice has been missed. None of us wants to confront this uncomfortable, and seemingly intractable, truth. And yet... if we don't... our grand experiment in self-governance will come to naught.
                  The ....grand experiment....is white libs flocking to portland . A black free city to live.

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                  • David G
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 89765

                    #39
                    Re: Better education please

                    Originally posted by oznabrag
                    Now, now, David, your supercilious self-satisfaction is wearing thin.

                    https://www.amazon.com/Color-Law-For.../dp/1631492853
                    I have about run out of patience with his like.... so supercilious it is. But self-satisfaction ain't got nothing to do with it.
                    David G
                    Harbor Woodworks
                    https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/

                    "It was a Sunday morning and Goddard gave thanks that there were still places where one could worship in temples not made by human hands." -- L. F. Herreshoff (The Compleat Cruiser)

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                    • oznabrag
                      Historical Illiterate
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 40801

                      #40
                      Re: Better education please

                      Originally posted by Rum_Pirate
                      "inter-regional violence to the tune of 600,000 dead in 1860".

                      Ah yes, when the Democratic Party supported slavery (racism).
                      Oh. My. God.

                      If you are ever going to grasp this thorny issue, you must first understand that Slavery is an economic system, while Racism is a social disease.

                      The two are not interchangeable.

                      It is true that Slavery was largely justified by racism in the Western Hemisphere, but there have been, and continue to be, human slaves of every 'race' imaginable, and the majority of their owners neither know nor care about justification past the idea that they bought and paid for that slave.

                      One of the central elements that drives this ugly scourge is the knowledge that slavery is wrong, and the reliance upon another evil to justify the first, all in the name of Christianity.

                      This lays the foundation for further justification, obfuscation, wheedling and blame peddling.

                      Your and bobbys' attempts to blame racism on the Democratic Party demonstrate a wilful and obdurate ignorance, and simply reinforce the notion that you are incapable of grasping the issue.
                      Rattling the teacups.

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                      • oznabrag
                        Historical Illiterate
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 40801

                        #41
                        Re: Better education please

                        Originally posted by Rum_Pirate
                        Interesting read here:
                        You clearly either haven't read it, or completely disagree with it.
                        Rattling the teacups.

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                        • oznabrag
                          Historical Illiterate
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 40801

                          #42
                          Re: Better education please

                          Originally posted by David G
                          I have about run out of patience with his like.... so supercilious it is. But self-satisfaction ain't got nothing to do with it.
                          I have no idea what the central tenet of your animosity toward him is, but in this case he is serving up the unvarnished truth.
                          Rattling the teacups.

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                          • David G
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 89765

                            #43
                            Re: Better education please

                            Originally posted by oznabrag
                            I have no idea what the central tenet of your animosity toward him is, but in this case he is serving up the unvarnished truth.
                            OK... I hope you don't think I'm arguing with Mr. Wilson.

                            That other fella? He is one of those who knows just enough to be dangerous, and uses it consistently to deflect attention from the whole truth onto those small kernels of veracity that serve as the core - upon which plausible lies are built. The phrase Keith quoted was true enough... as far as it goes. But is disingenuous in that it suggests the crux of the matter is Federal Policy. Since such policy is, indeed, at fault, in many ways... you have the plausible bit. But that's just a piece of the picture, not the whole. An example we've talked about - was the Southern Strategy formulated as part of Federal Policy? No, it was formulated by a particularly heinous cadre from on particular party... for partisan advantage.
                            Last edited by David G; 05-15-2018, 10:32 AM.
                            David G
                            Harbor Woodworks
                            https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/

                            "It was a Sunday morning and Goddard gave thanks that there were still places where one could worship in temples not made by human hands." -- L. F. Herreshoff (The Compleat Cruiser)

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                            • Keith Wilson
                              Trying to be reasonable
                              • Oct 1999
                              • 64123

                              #44
                              Re: Better education please

                              One problem we have in the US is that class issues and race issues get mixed together and confused. We have this myth that we don't really have social classes, or that class isn't very significant because we have so much social mobility, which is very largely bullsh!t. And a strategy of the ruling class for centuries, particularly in the south, has been to pit poor whites and poor blacks against each other. It still works, amazingly enough, although you'd think folks would wise up. You think it's a coincidence that some very very rich white people are working hard to promote tribalism?
                              "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations,
                              for nature cannot be fooled."

                              Richard Feynman

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                              • Rum_Pirate
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 22881

                                #45
                                Re: Better education please

                                Originally posted by oznabrag
                                Even though I overtly stated that my post was intended to mock bobbys' post, you refuse to understand that.
                                You posted AFTER by way of trying to weasel out of what you posted.



                                Originally posted by oznabrag
                                What was the name of that Jethro Tull album from 1972?

                                I can't seem to recall.
                                I am sorry to learn that your memory is fading, dementia? I certainly hope not. Here let me help you.

                                The Jethro Tull album from 1972 that you are apparently trying to throw at me of is :

                                Jethro Tull Album: - Living in the Past (1972)


                                While apparently the one that applies to you :

                                Jethro Tull
                                Album: - Thick As A Brick (1972)

                                LOL

                                BYE.


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