Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

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  • Norman Bernstein
    Liberaltarian
    • Nov 2004
    • 25223

    Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

    I'm encouraged!

    Connecticut’s legislature has passed a bill that would give the state’s Electoral College votes to the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote nationally.The state Senate voted 21-14 on Saturday to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which includes 10 states and the District of Columbia. The state House passed the measure last week, 77 to 73.

    The compact requires its members to cast their Electoral College ballots for the presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. The agreement goes into effect once states representing at least 270 electoral votes — the number needed for a candidate to win the presidency — signs the compact.

    Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy (D) has promised to sign the legislation committing his state to the interstate agreement. Once he does so, the compact will have 172 electoral votes. California, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia have already signed the accord.

    Malloy has described the current Electoral College voting system as “fundamentally unfair.”

    “With the exception of the presidency, every elected office in the country, from city council, to United States senator, to governor, is awarded the candidate who receives the most votes,” the governor said, according to the Connecticut Mirror. “The vote of every American citizen should count equally, yet under the current system, voters from sparsely populated states are awarded significantly more power than those from states like Connecticut.”

    In the 2016 presidential election, Donald Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million ballots, but won the electoral vote 304 to 227, thus clinching the presidency.

    According to The Associated Press, Connecticut ― which cast its seven electoral votes for Hillary Clinton in 2016 ― will be the first state to join the National Popular Vote agreement since Trump’s victory.

    State Rep. Matthew Lesser (D) said it’s taken a decade of lobbying to convince Connecticut lawmakers to join the compact.

    Trump’s victory, Lesser told AP, appears to have given the issue “some renewed momentum.”
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






  • bobbys
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 30719

    #2
    Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

    Libs would love nothing better then the blue coastel states decide the election..

    This is why Norm ....thinks.....its fair and a great idea.

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    • Tom Montgomery
      Lurking since 1997
      • Sep 1999
      • 35658

      #3
      Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

      ^
      Boo freaking Hoo.
      "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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      • Chris Smith porter maine
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 5684

        #4
        Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

        And the regressives love the fact low population Western and southern states are proportionally over represented in the electoral college. Tyranny of the minority.

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        • RHAKCT
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2016
          • 280

          #5
          Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

          Not everyone in CT is happy.

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          • Figment
            Gluten Enthusiast
            • Dec 2001
            • 13676

            #6
            Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

            Originally posted by bobbys
            Libs would love nothing better then the blue coastel states decide the election..

            This is why Norm ....thinks.....its fair and a great idea.
            This is literally (and I mean that literally) about removing the whole notion of "states" from the electoral process.

            The idea, bear with me now, the idea is that the VOTERS decide the election, regardless of their zipcode...

            yes, I'm a super-progressive revolutionary. I buy beer on sundays, even.
            People today will buy a car with square wheels as long as the steering wheel is heated.

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            • Norman Bernstein
              Liberaltarian
              • Nov 2004
              • 25223

              #7
              Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

              Originally posted by bobbys
              Libs would love nothing better then the blue coastel states decide the election..
              Yeah, it's just AWFUL, isn't it... I mean, the idea that everyone's vote should be counted equally is a CRIME, in the eyes of the right wing!
              "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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              • Barry
                Banned
                • Nov 2001
                • 1553

                #8
                Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                "Turns out a presidential candidate could win the election with just 22% of the popular vote"

                Not all votes are equal when it comes to electing the president of the United States. Because of the electoral college system, votes cast in smaller states weigh more heavily than those cast in larger states. The difference is so significant that it's possible to win the election with a surprisingly low percentage of the popular vote.

                Popular Support for the Electoral College

                A Gallup poll in January 2013 found that a vast majority of Americans would prefer to do away with the electoral college for presidential elections.


                Last edited by Barry; 05-07-2018, 02:47 PM.

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                • P.I. Stazzer-Newt
                  obnoxiously persistent.
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 26046

                  #9
                  Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                  What about the two senators per state thing...?
                  I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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                  • Tom Montgomery
                    Lurking since 1997
                    • Sep 1999
                    • 35658

                    #10
                    Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                    An end run around the electoral college. Cool.

                    Where there is a will there is a way.
                    "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

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                    • Too Little Time
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 12760

                      #11
                      Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                      Originally posted by Chris Smith porter maine
                      And the regressives love the fact low population Western and southern states are proportionally over represented in the electoral college. Tyranny of the minority.
                      Someone recently calculated that 12% of the votes are needed to elect a majority of Senators. A minority can easily gain power.

                      The problem is that we as a country are divided as to where we should go.
                      Life is complex.

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                      • John Smith
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 48850

                        #12
                        Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                        I've often thought that keeping the college but adding electors at large for winning the popular vote.
                        "Banning books in spite of the 1st amendment, but refusing to regulate guns in spite of "well regulated militia' being in the 2nd amendment makes no sense. Can't think of anyone ever shot by a book

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                        • David W Pratt
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2005
                          • 12331

                          #13
                          Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                          So it is fine to disenfranchise the voters in Wyoming?
                          Maybe a more common sense solution would be for the 2020 candidates to remember to campaign in the midwest

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                          • bobbys
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 30719

                            #14
                            Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                            Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                            Yeah, it's just AWFUL, isn't it... I mean, the idea that everyone's vote should be counted equally is a CRIME, in the eyes of the right wing!
                            You know darn well the Electoral College ensures that all parts of the country are involved in selecting the President of the United States. If the election depended solely on the popular vote, then candidates could limit campaigning to heavily-populated areas or specific regions. To win the election, presidential candidates need electoral votes from multiple regions and then they could build campaign platforms with a national focus, meaning that the winner will actually be serving the needs of the entire country. Without the electoral college, groups such as Iowa farmers and Ohio factory workers would be ignored in favor of pandering to metropolitan areas with higher population densities, leaving rural areas and small towns out . When elected the winner would just serve the majority states for re election,

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                            • peb
                              Papist and Texan
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 14281

                              #15
                              Re: Another victory towards getting rid of the Electoral College

                              Such a bad idea. Getting rid of something that has serve us quite well. You will not find a perfect system. There is nothing special about 50.00001% of the vote.

                              One of George Will's recent editorials.




                              George Will has been hitting it out of the ballpark lately with his editorials, I might start a thread just to give a list of what he has produced in the last couple of months.

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