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    Does this sound like there are hidden taxes or fees of some sort they are convemiently not mentioning? Anyone familiar with purchasing a boat in Mexico then bringing it here?

    This is the basic procedure that we use here in Mexico to transfer ownership of Vessels. Please let me know if you have any questions.

    First an offer has to be made to purchase the boat. This offer can be made sight unseen pending personal inspection of the boat. Also it is usually written in subject to Sea Trial and Survey. The Seller has to accept the offer or give a counter offer. Once basic acceptance of price and terms is made between the two parties then the Visual Inspection, Sea Trial and Survey can proceed. The Sea Trial usually is first before the survey if the vessel is in the water. If the vessel is stored on the hard the buyer has the option of doing the survey first.

    When those are completed then the deal is either accepted or renegotiated if a problem is found or you can withdrawal your offer. Normally before the Survey and Sea Trial a Deposit is made of at least 10% and wired to an escrow company. This is refundable if the deal does not proceed. After the Survey and Sea Trial and the final acceptance is signed then we transfer the rest of the paperwork to an escrow Company to protect all parties. The money is held in trust till the legal paperwork is completed by both parties. The buyer then wires the balance to the title and escrow company. Once all legal paperwork is completed then the title or Documentation is transferred, a Bill of Sale is given and the Money is deposited in the sellers account by the escrow company.

    The Seller is responsible for the commission to the brokerage and the slip rent or storage till time of close. A full accounting by the escrow company is given and agreed upon by both parties before the close of escrow. The buyer is responsible for the Haul out if needed, survey and closing costs. The slip rent or storage to the buyer starts the day the deal closes.
    After you receive your New Documentation or Registration then the old paperwork from Mexico with the previous owners must be turned in and you must apply for a new Temporary Import Permit for the boat in your name in Mexico. This is done as an offshore delivery which we will explain in depth at a later date. It must be an offshore delivery as it is technically illegal to Buy and Sell a foreign registered boat in Mexico so transfer must be made offshore and no money changes hands in Mexico.
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    It seems a bit complex. I would pass on the deal.

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    and you'll never see your escrow again.....no guarantees that the paperwork is real...and then you must pay import duties etc on the boat bringing it into the united states.....and it could be stolen and paperwork created for it offshore.
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    Its a washington boat that was sailed down there years ago. Its changed hands once in Mexico already. Not sure about current registration. Its in LaPaz...
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    Its on the hard now and appears to need lots of work. The owner went back up to San Diego to go back to grad school. Could probably be gotten for real cheap. Hard part is getting it back here...easiest to go out to Hawaii and then up this way I guess.







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    They said they use an escrow company located in WA state to hold all moneys and transfer the title so they can register it for you where ever you wish, WA, CA, USCG, Canada.

    Still makes me nervous though...what if they wont let the boat leave Mexico for some reason..
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    TimH ---

    It appears that everyone is telling you it is a bad idea. Yet you still want the boat.

    So pay your money and take your chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Roberts View Post
    TimH ---

    It appears that everyone is telling you it is a bad idea. Yet you still want the boat.

    So pay your money and take your chances.
    Well I have been watching this boat for years.
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    I wonder if this rudder will swell up and be fine on its own.
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    That quote at the top of this page is such a ridiculous thing.
    Just get the CF number and then call the owner. Thats all.
    You have to ask the owner if there are fees owed on the boat.
    If it is a US documented boat and you get a bunch of extortion type crap just call the US consulate.
    This happens to boats all the time.
    You better get to it before it is stripped of all the gear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary E View Post
    So it's out of the water now??
    If so, its either going to be a FREE boat, or it's going to be FIREWOOD
    Unless you speak the local language and can hire and supervize a local repair crew, NOBODY is EVER going to float that boat again... thus, my bet would be FIREWOOD
    People buy and sell boats in Mexico all the time. I once used a crew from Mexico to load a boat for me in Tucson..... it was all done over the phone and worked out fine.

    PS....this boat is glass, it will float just fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWB View Post
    PS....this boat is glass, it will float just fine
    Shhh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    Shhh.
    Go for it...but lowball the offer. If the boat is at Marina San Carlos they used to run a hydraulic trailor to a Tucson crane yard. The boat can then be loaded onto a regular over the road trailer for transport to your destination

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    Trying to find out if the boat is USCG registered or not. Apparently that make a big difference in getting it back to the country (the cost of it anyway). The owner had told the broker it was a registered vessel, but it has WN numbers on the bow.
    The boat has a current Mexican Temporary Import Permit. There are no fees to return a US documented vessel back to the good ol USA, but if you are refering to shipping or trucking costs that is a different story. Marina Seca San Carlos is now trucking boats to the US again. I am not sure if it can be done from Marina Seca Guaymas (which is where the boat is now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary E View Post
    So it's glass... glass covered wood? or solid glass? does not matter...
    Its an Ingrid 38 Gary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary E View Post
    So ??
    splain that to us who've never heard of it
    You really are showing your ignorance arent you....
    Why add to the thread if you don't have a clue about what is being discussed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    Trying to find out if the boat is USCG registered or not. Apparently that make a big difference in getting it back to the country (the cost of it anyway). The owner had told the broker it was a registered vessel, but it has WN numbers on the bow.
    The boat has a current Mexican Temporary Import Permit. There are no fees to return a US documented vessel back to the good ol USA, but if you are refering to shipping or trucking costs that is a different story. Marina Seca San Carlos is now trucking boats to the US again. I am not sure if it can be done from Marina Seca Guaymas (which is where the boat is now).
    If you have the documentation number you can do a search to see if its current.

    edit: Marina Seca Guaymas is about 20 miles from Marina San Carlos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary E View Post
    So ??
    splain that to us who've never heard of it

    (reprinted from old Blue Water Boats literature)
    Ingrid Design: The "Ingrid is a William Atkin adaptation of the famous Colin Archer "Redningskoite" boats.
    Double-ended boats are decendants of the Viking ship. In the late 19th century, Colin Archer, a Scotch naval architect living in Norway, achieved considerable fame for his refinement of double-ended sailboats. His designs won world recongnition for their heavy-weather characteristics.
    In 1934 William Atkin, an American naval architect, took the classic lines of the "Redningskoite" and produced several sizes of this lovely vessel. Ingrid is the 38' model and varies only slightly form the original Archer design. For example Atkin gave the Ingrid hull a finer entry for better performance.
    Ingrid Philosophy: Blue Water Boats in Washington built the Ingrid (from the mid '70s to the mid '80s) for people who wanted to sail the ocean. While not all Ingrid owners plan to take their boats on ocean passages immediately, they have the assurance that their Ingrid is ready when they are.
    The Ingrid differs from many other ocean sail-boats in that her design permits handling with only one or two person - as opposed to requiring a large crew. The boat is easily single-handed. She will deliver a softer, more stable ride making the trip not only exciting - but restful and comfortable as well. Strength and safety are primary in her construction.
    Sailing Characteristics:The Ingrid is designed with one purpose - to provide a safe and comfortable ocean journey to her crew. Ingrid is, however a very sprightly boat in her element.
    Ingrid's full keel keeps her directionally stable resisting the pressures of waves and wind to twist her. If the sails are balanced, the course will remain true even without a hand on the helm.
    The bow has a fine entry. When the Ingrid comes down off a wave crest into a trough there is no tooth-jarring "bang"! Instead, she makes a gentle "whooshing" sound. The water acts like a giant shock absorber and stops the downward motion (like catching an egg). Even the fo'c'sle berth is comfortable at sea!
    Ample floatation in both the bow and stern quarters keep her ends dry. They lift easily with the waves.
    Ballast in the Ingrid is spread out from extreme stern position to the bob-stay iron in the bow. This long moment of force acts like a pole, rising and falling on a horizontal plane (as opposed to the pitching motion so common in the fin-keel sailboats)
    Blue Water Boats, Inc.: Founded in 1971 by James Musser, a Seattle sailor whose plan was to build an Ingrid and embark on a Pacific Ocean cruise. He constructed his "plug" from the original William Atkin plan, then the mold, and made his Ingrid hull. Several people who saw his completed project asked for similar hulls from the mold and this led to the formation of Blue Water Boats.
    In 1973 the firm was incorporated, Jerry Husted, an experienced Puget Sound sailor, became the equal partner. Shortly thereafter, Musser and his wife left on their long-awaited cruise aboard their Ingrid "Sandaldust".
    In July, 1974, Husted purchased the balance of the shares of teh company. He himself sailed aboard an Ingrid from Honolulu to Seattle - gaining additional insight into Ingrid's characteristics.
    My records are not complete and from my best estimates and the documents I have at hand, I estimate that production of the Ingrid continued until about 1985 and about 150 to 175 hulls were produced. At about this time the molds and patterns were sold. They are currently stored in Graham, WA. (Jerry Husted switched his production operation to the Nordic Tug.)
    "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do, than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

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    The Ingrids were built in the mid to late 70's, pretty heavy construction. I considered the purchase of one while in Iceland, some have a fiberglas deck assembly and others were built up wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary E View Post
    We're all not near as smart as you are....
    I for one have NEVER heard of that boat...
    what?...you think it's common and everone has??
    Actually I was referring to your input about Mexico and its people

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    Quote Originally Posted by paladin View Post
    some have a fiberglas deck assembly and others were built up wood.
    Exactly. What is special about this one is that it doesnt have that ugly fiberglass cabin trunk(s). It has a traditional deck and cabin trunk whish really sets it apart IMHO. I have not seen another like it. Only the first boats had owner-built decks. Shortly after begining production, Blue Water boats had a deck/cabin mold everyone used. They werent very asthetically pleasing.
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    For what its worth Tim, the Alajuela rendition of the Ingrid 38 is a very well built boat. If you are set on this design they are worth a look

    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    (reprinted from old Blue Water Boats literature)
    Ingrid Design: The "Ingrid is a William Atkin adaptation of the famous Colin Archer "Redningskoite" boats.
    Double-ended boats are decendants of the Viking ship. In the late 19th century, Colin Archer, a Scotch naval architect living in Norway, achieved considerable fame for his refinement of double-ended sailboats. His designs won world recongnition for their heavy-weather characteristics.
    In 1934 William Atkin, an American naval architect, took the classic lines of the "Redningskoite" and produced several sizes of this lovely vessel. Ingrid is the 38' model and varies only slightly form the original Archer design. For example Atkin gave the Ingrid hull a finer entry for better performance.
    Ingrid Philosophy: Blue Water Boats in Washington built the Ingrid (from the mid '70s to the mid '80s) for people who wanted to sail the ocean. While not all Ingrid owners plan to take their boats on ocean passages immediately, they have the assurance that their Ingrid is ready when they are.
    The Ingrid differs from many other ocean sail-boats in that her design permits handling with only one or two person - as opposed to requiring a large crew. The boat is easily single-handed. She will deliver a softer, more stable ride making the trip not only exciting - but restful and comfortable as well. Strength and safety are primary in her construction.
    Sailing Characteristics:The Ingrid is designed with one purpose - to provide a safe and comfortable ocean journey to her crew. Ingrid is, however a very sprightly boat in her element.
    Ingrid's full keel keeps her directionally stable resisting the pressures of waves and wind to twist her. If the sails are balanced, the course will remain true even without a hand on the helm.
    The bow has a fine entry. When the Ingrid comes down off a wave crest into a trough there is no tooth-jarring "bang"! Instead, she makes a gentle "whooshing" sound. The water acts like a giant shock absorber and stops the downward motion (like catching an egg). Even the fo'c'sle berth is comfortable at sea!
    Ample floatation in both the bow and stern quarters keep her ends dry. They lift easily with the waves.
    Ballast in the Ingrid is spread out from extreme stern position to the bob-stay iron in the bow. This long moment of force acts like a pole, rising and falling on a horizontal plane (as opposed to the pitching motion so common in the fin-keel sailboats)
    Blue Water Boats, Inc.: Founded in 1971 by James Musser, a Seattle sailor whose plan was to build an Ingrid and embark on a Pacific Ocean cruise. He constructed his "plug" from the original William Atkin plan, then the mold, and made his Ingrid hull. Several people who saw his completed project asked for similar hulls from the mold and this led to the formation of Blue Water Boats.
    In 1973 the firm was incorporated, Jerry Husted, an experienced Puget Sound sailor, became the equal partner. Shortly thereafter, Musser and his wife left on their long-awaited cruise aboard their Ingrid "Sandaldust".
    In July, 1974, Husted purchased the balance of the shares of teh company. He himself sailed aboard an Ingrid from Honolulu to Seattle - gaining additional insight into Ingrid's characteristics.
    My records are not complete and from my best estimates and the documents I have at hand, I estimate that production of the Ingrid continued until about 1985 and about 150 to 175 hulls were produced. At about this time the molds and patterns were sold. They are currently stored in Graham, WA. (Jerry Husted switched his production operation to the Nordic Tug.)

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    Ingrid
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    A Colin Archer Type Double-Ender Ingrid is a big boat. She has all the characteristics usually associated with seagoing ability. She is the kind of boat that behaves in rough water. She can be depended upon to sail herself. She is ableness personified. And equal to any situation. Ingrid is the reply to ever so many requests for an enlargement of the double-end Thistle, whose plans appeared several months ago. And for a ketch-rigged auxiliary. There has been retained in Ingrid practically the same beam as that of Thistle. The draft, however, has been increased to 5 feet 6 inches. Ingrid, then, is 37 feet 6 inches in overall length; 30 feet on the water line; 11 feet 4 inches beam; and 5 feet 6 inches draft. Her displacement is 25,000 pounds. There is 9,000 pounds of iron on her keel with 3,000 pounds inside ballast. The sail area is 816 square feet. The cabin is large. Your man of six-foot height can walk through upright, and this should please many. Personally I feel that headroom is the least important feature of a small yacht's design. However, we all do not think alike in this respect. In a boat of Ingrid's length heights do not have to be abnormal in order to get full headroom. The lines show a genuine redningskoite -- life boat of the North Sea. As nearly perfect in form as any boat can be. It may be well to mention that man has never built any kind of vessel that will ride out any kind of sea. The sea is a tremendous thing. It smiles today; tomorrow scolds! All of which holds true of water anywhere -- lake, river, harbor, bay or pond. Men who find a livelihood by working the sea know this -- man, child and wife. Plans for Ingrid are $275
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    Just found out the owner is $1500 plus interest behind on his storage fees.
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    I know the boat was listed at 35k several years ago when the current owner purchased it. Is there a way to find out what he actually paid for it?
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    Wouldn't it show up on the documentation...if he ever transferred it? Ask for proof of ownership/registration papers etc........
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    you could buy a boat privately with a lot less hassle find out about Americas import duty and legalities but definitely cheaper to buy in Mexico than US.
    I know of a Australian who buys boats in Indonesia at half the price of Australia so going abroad can save huge bucks.

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    we shall see.
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    I do have some experiance with this. The laws may have changed some, but this is how it used to work. Most importantly, It is illeagel to sell a foregin flagged vessel in MX. As in you must pay import duties formally import the vessel into the country then you can sell it. The brokers in MX get around this by doing the paperwork outside of the country and taking the boat offshore for exchange of ownership, changing the name etc. Kind of a don't ask don't tell. The Mexican port captians and officials in general are extremely accomidating to foreign pleasure boats. You play by the rules etc they let things be. If you do a search on yachtworld you will see quite a few US boats for sale on the west coast of MX. These are through legitimate brokerages. When we bought our new boat we sold or old one in PV. We looked at a few new ones there too The whole process was worry free. The broker actually used the same escrow and title company that I used to buy it 6 years earlier in WA state. If it was registered in WA state you should be able to get a title or records of it through the DMV. If you want I can put you in touch with the broker I used in PV who has a partner in San Carlos. If it has been sitting on the hard in San Carlos for very long it may have some issues as it gets brutal hot there in the summer.

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    I was wondering what effect that kind of heat would have. The escrow company they use is a local one - Pacific Maritime Title Co.
    I guess the boat is USCG registered.

    The biggest problem I see is the logistics of getting the boat ready for sea when its there and I am here. And how expensive are supplies down there? Even if you can get a great deal on the boat how much will it cost in the end? And how much headache?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    I was wondering what effect that kind of heat would have. The escrow company they use is a local one - Pacific Maritime Title Co.
    I guess the boat is USCG registered.

    The biggest problem I see is the logistics of getting the boat ready for sea when its there and I am here. And how expensive are supplies down there? Even if you can get a great deal on the boat how much will it cost in the end? And how much headache?
    Need a crew ?

    Lovely boat. I would imagine we could hire some semi skilled workers and materials would be less expensive and have her ready in about the time we would need to leave. ( Due to some disagreement with me and some local father of some girl I may or may not have shared some tequila and sunsets with )

    When should I pack ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) View Post
    Need a crew ?

    Lovely boat. I would imagine we could hire some semi skilled workers and materials would be less expensive and have her ready in about the time we would need to leave. ( Due to some disagreement with me and some local father of some girl I may or may not have shared some tequila and sunsets with )

    When should I pack ?
    Hell... one trip north from Mexico with the right er.... cargo and you'd probably have enough money to see the world on your new boat.
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    I was wondering what effect that kind of heat would have. The escrow company they use is a local one - Pacific Maritime Title Co.
    I guess the boat is USCG registered.

    The biggest problem I see is the logistics of getting the boat ready for sea when its there and I am here. And how expensive are supplies down there? Even if you can get a great deal on the boat how much will it cost in the end? And how much headache?
    Ah now youre asking the questions. It will be a major headache and cost way way more than you expected...at a point you will realise that you have made a major mistake and frantically consider your options only to realise that if you stop you will lose everything including your shorts.

    Ask me how I know

    If you see it through it will be satisfying and rewarding.....

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    San Carlos! Hauled out there. Brutal hot in MAY, never mind the summer. ("The fans, Dave....the fans! Install the fans NOW!!!!!!!")

    Tim: re your "The biggest problem I see is the logistics of getting the boat ready for sea when its there and I am here.". Friends also hauled out there for the off season; returned to do own prep/work necessary to refloat for the next season/leg of the adventure. You will have to decide if you are doing the work, or paying locals to do the work. From my vague recollections, the work won't cost you a lot less there.

    Options: you take time off and go do the work yourself; pay them to do it in your absence (issue - you can't check their work); truck the boat to someone you trust to do the work (San Diego?); or, truck it home and you do the work as you can and get her ready to go again.

    What's your long term goal for you/this boat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Hell... one trip north from Mexico with the right er.... cargo and you'd probably have enough money to see the world on your new boat.
    Now THERES an idea

    It would be the adventure of a lifetime for me...or maybe just the start of one

    I work remotely so I might be able to stay down there for a few months and get the boat ready. The owner said the engine ran when the boat was in the water but he cant "guarantee the condition of any systems". The engine would be real important if I were to try and bash back up the coast, but most people recommend a long tack out to Hawaii and then up north from there.

    Sure is a sweet looking boat.
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    Tim - you need to go and look at the boat if you are serious about it.

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    re: ..."try and bash back up the coast, but most people recommend a long tack out to Hawaii and then up north from there."

    ...or, you could put her on a truck and have her delivered to your front yard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanoose View Post
    What's your long term goal for you/this boat?
    Deb

    Long term goals would be to use the boat for what it was designed for..offshore passage making.

    Ive had this life-long dream of sailing to distant countries. The South Pacific. Maybe a circumnavigation of South America.

    The stuff that makes sane people look at you in wonder when you talk about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanoose View Post
    re: ..."try and bash back up the coast, but most people recommend a long tack out to Hawaii and then up north from there."

    ...or, you could put her on a truck and have her delivered to your front yard...

    Apparently the only way to avoid taxes and fees is to sail her back to the US.
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    If she's "the one", and the price is right, why not truck her home and take the time/care needed to get her ready for off shore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimH View Post
    Apparently the only way to avoid taxes and fees is to sail her back to the US.
    You're sure the operative word there is "sail"?

    So, the questions then are....are the taxes/fees high? How do they compare with the risks of getting her back to the States via water, i.e. San Diego?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWB View Post
    Tim - you need to go and look at the boat if you are serious about it.
    I am toying with the idea of a trip down there this fall. It would be a nice reprieve from the rain and grey also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanoose View Post
    So, the questions then are....are the taxes/fees high? How do they compare with the risks of getting her back to the States via water, i.e. San Diego?
    I need to look into that.
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    Tim,

    If you look here Ingrid

    You can see there are several ingrids to choose from. One right here in Seattle, several in northern ca and one in PV. I think the one in PV is Raven which if I remember right was a really nice boat. Based on the asking price of them all it looks like you would be way money and time ahead to buy one of the nicer ones. If you buy a boat in MX you can get financing and insurance. I would definatly look at some of the other boats first. The broker in PV who is probably selling that one is Nick Rau with PV yachtes, really good guy. If you do buy a boat down there don't be in a hurry to to get it back up here. Lots of secure marinas and hurricane holes and several years of cruising where it doesn't rain 10 months out of the year. They also have a cruising permit now so you don't have to do the paperwork shuffle in the ports anymore.
    As to work down there it is pretty much the same cost as here. Same with good moorage. Most places offer package deals for the summer for hauling out or staying in a marina, but it is still about the same price as the PNW. The one really good deal is painting. You can get great paint work done for a very good price.

    One thing to keep and eye out for in PV is a deserted circumanvigator, PV is a big jumping off point for the Marqueses and there are people who get there and for one reason or another throw in the towel. We saw some really nice boats fully outfitted for circumnavigating get parked and put up for sale there. It cost alot to ship or pay for crew to get it back to the us.

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV Papillon View Post
    Tim,
    I think the one in PV is Raven which if I remember right was a really nice boat.
    Yes, Raven is really nice, but 80k.
    Tumbleweed is the best looking Ingrid 38 I have seen. She has the most traditional look about her. Since the current owner bought the boat several years ago (asking price then also was 35k) and has done little or no maintenance since then that I can see, my offer would be somewhat less.

    Quote Originally Posted by SV Papillon View Post
    If you buy a boat in MX you can get financing and insurance.
    can or cannot?

    Quote Originally Posted by SV Papillon View Post
    If you do buy a boat down there don't be in a hurry to to get it back up here.
    The broker said current storage fees are $125 a month where she is at. Pretty reasonable.
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    Hell... one trip north from Mexico with the right er.... cargo and you'd probably have enough money to see the world on your new boat.
    Now THERES an idea

    It would be the adventure of a lifetime for me...or maybe just the start of one

    I work remotely so I might be able to stay down there for a few months and get the boat ready. The owner said the engine ran when the boat was in the water but he cant "guarantee the condition of any systems". The engine would be real important if I were to try and bash back up the coast, but most people recommend a long tack out to Hawaii and then up north from there.

    Sure is a sweet looking boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paladin View Post
    Bad Idea....I sold a tri to some fellers that went south with it. About a year later a couple of friends called me to check the news from Sta. Catalina......My boat was in the news alright...stopped by the coast guard off catalina...and the nicest thing said about the entire incident was "based on the roominess of the trimaran, it could easily have carried double it's cargo".....
    You are right. Faster and safer to just run up to Canada and bring back some BC bud
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    If it is US documented and passes a survey then it's the same as buying and insuring one here. There are stipulations on insurance for hurricane season but thats it. You have to be in a approved port from start to finish may-oct or north of something I can't remember. I would call the brokers and ask what the clients will consider on the nicer ones. Boats are not moving right now and a year of moorage and insurance adds up if the boat is not getting used.
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    Tim - why the one in Mexico versus the one in Seattle?

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    asthetics mostly. Also I would prefer a ketch. Tumbleweed is a better looking boat. The one in Seattle has the glass cabin trunk with rectangular ports.







    Not a good reason I suppose. Here is a factory-finished one in Seattle for 39k.
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