A folkboat found me

[RFNK]

Re: A folkboat found me

NYFK,
Not lost, just otherwise occupied for a few days. This happens in my work. Glad to hear that your SWMBO can do as she likes - mine does too!

Your boat is clinker. You cannot put the chainplates on the outside - you'll be arrested if you do that, and if not, you should be! As far as the positioning of the stays goes lengthwise, that's too technical for me to answer but there would be plenty of people who use this forum who could advise you on this. I can measure the positions on our boat for you but I can't do that until returning to Oz after December. The standard Nordic Folkboat has only two shrouds, and very flexible timber spars. I don't think this is a suitable setup for coastal cruising on Australia's East Coast so we've kept the twin shrouds on each side (uppers and lowers) that the boat had when we bought it. The boat performs very well, the mast remains flexible enough for our purposes, the running backstay works beautifully - I can't see any advantage in leaving the boat vulnerable to losing the mast in big swell by relying on only one shroud. Those who race these boats in rough conditions - it certainly gets rough in San Francisco Bay, for example, may disagree with me on this though, so don't take my word for it.

We completed a fairly major restoration of our boat and I'm very happy with it. The current setup seems to work beautifully for our purposes. And it's as solid as the proverbial (Ozzie expression that I can't use on this forum). I'm happy to assist you along your way with your boat with the caveat that you take note of the many others who will add comments worthier than mine. Let us know what you're up to and if possible, I'll chip in with my twobob's worth. I'll sort out a subscription to Photobucket or whatever it is and send pictures when I can - although I'd STILL like to know how others put decent pictures in their posts!!

To Barnacle Grim - please don't mention your theory re absence of Viking spirit to Pipsqueak (or whoever she really is) (aka SWMRBO) if you ever have the opportunity to climb aboard, or at least warn me first!

[BarnacleGrim]

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NYFK,
To Barnacle Grim - please don't mention your theory re absence of Viking spirit to Pipsqueak (or whoever she really is) (aka SWMRBO) if you ever have the opportunity to climb aboard, or at least warn me first!

Noted! Unless of course the crew starts wearing helmets with horns, in which case I must object.

[Larks]

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[quote=RFNK;2011083]NYFK,
Not lost, just otherwise occupied for a few days. This happens in my work. Glad to hear that your SWMBO can do as she likes - mine does too!

Your boat is clinker. You cannot put the chainplates on the outside - you'll be arrested if you do that, and if not, you should be! .quote]

For what it's worth I have seen a folkboat down on the GC that has the chainplates on the outside, they are set to blocks that are checked around the planks. I'll be back down there in a week so if I can find it again I'll see if I can take a pic of it.

[floatingkiwi]

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Yeah,after studying drawings I have made of the idea, I feel like arresting myself.
Hey, good to hear you are the leniant husband type, aswell, Rick. And thanks heaps for the offer, I will certainly look forward to whatever lies ahead.
I am thinking of going to Amazon tonight,( the online store),and purchasing some high build, below the water,( whatever is underneath the sea I am not sure), primer and fairing compound. What the heck. I have bare wood just asking to be turned white.

[RFNK]

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Larks
Please do send the pic! Must make for pretty wet sailing when on a wind!! Rick

[RFNK]

Re: A folkboat found me

NYFK
Is that high-build epoxy you're talking about? If it is, be careful. If you put it onto timber that's going to swell, move, shrink etc., then the high-build will crack up. If all your timber is absolutely stable, then, make sure it's really dry and clean, paint it with neat epoxy resin then put on the high-build once the resin has gone off - do it within a day at the most to get a chemical bond otherwise you'll have to roughen it up to key in the high-build. If it's not epoxy high-build that you're talking about, then what is it? If you're painting below the water line on the outside, then you really need to get most of the old antifoul off rather than trying to smooth it all out with gunk. You'll be glad you did in the long run. Once smooth, then use a primer that'll go over remaining old antifoul - I used a Jotun product that has aluminium in it - sorry, don't recall the name, and I'm not sure I'd use it again. It was silver and quite thick but I wasn't happy with its performance after the boat went back into the water - the primer seemed to let go in too many places. This was probably due to the timber swelling after three years out of the water. It's easy enough to find a good, all-purpose marine primer but make sure that it's one that's made to go over old paint remains etc., unless you're planning to take the hull right back to bare timber. Also check to see that it can flex a bit. I've since used a different primer and antifoul system that again, sorry, I can't remember the name of but it's an Australian product anyway that's probably not available in the US.

Sanding all the old antifoul right off is a horrible task but if you are actually going to paint the hull with an epoxy finish, then that's what you'll have to do. I have seen it done on a clinker Folkboat and it has held up really well for quite a few years but it's a really big job. If I was doing our boat again though, that's what I'd be doing, simply because it works so well. Our boat though, and the one that I know of with the epoxy finish, are built with plywood planking and all laps are glued with resorcinol. If your boat doesn't have glued laps, I wouldn't even think about using an epoxy finish. It's highly likely that it'll crack up. Why didn't the other boat's finish crack up when it was put back in the water? Probably because the epoxy finish sealed the hull too well. It's possible, of course, that, if this is actually the case, then down the track, as the epoxy does crack a bit, which it must eventually, then the swelling timber will crack it more. We'll see! Rick

[Peerie Maa]

Re: A folkboat found me

NYFK
Our boat though, and the one that I know of with the epoxy finish, are built with plywood planking and all laps are glued with resorcinol. If your boat doesn't have glued laps, I wouldn't even think about using an epoxy finish. It's highly likely that it'll crack up.

Absolutely correct. The cores of the ply running across the width of the strakes prevent movement caused by changes in humidity, and the glued laps prevent movement caused by the boat working in a sea way, so those hulls will be stable enough to take a brittle finish. In a previous post you have said that she is copper fastened so I would stick with a more elastic filler and paint finish.

[Hughman]

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RFNK: It sounds like you're confusing the tiny avatar photo, which *is* hosted on the forum server, with the text photos, which must be hosted on some other website. WBF doesn't have the room to host all the boat porn people want to share.

Photobucket, Shutterfly and the like are the sort of sites that offer this capability. so, right click on an image, select properties, and copy the web address of the photo you want - works on any photo on the web- and past it in the photo application at the top of the WBF reply panel.

Try to keep the images you post within 100 Kb, because there are lots of people still on dial up. wooden boat people tend to be neo-luddites, lol.

[Hughman]

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Floatingkiwi, losing a long reply is frustrating, sure; I like to compose stuff in wordpad, or some other editor, and paste it to WBF.

Here's a folkboat 'clone', a Frisco Flyer - built in Hong Kong by Cheoy Lee, Teak carvel panking. The Folkboat purists accept these reluctantly, but they have a following well deserved.

[floatingkiwi]

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Hey, I just got to my computer and my thread is getting longer. I like that.
Rick, I love your input,( and everyone elses),and it gives me quite a thrilling relief to be reading sound advice that matches what I have in mind and or what I have already done,(this aint the first time), beauty.
Sounds like I'm dodging all the bullets so far. The hull already is down to bare wood on the outside. Sitting in the tide untouched for the last five years saved me a lot of work by the look of things, eh? As far as using epoxy down there, I didn't mention epoxy, did somone mention epoxy, Who mentioned epoxy, I like the sound of the word epoxy, nice ring, epoxy, epoxy, but actually using it seems to give me an uneasy feeling of finality, like, once it's on there is no turning back, be sure it's the right thing. Epoxy epoxy epoxy,LOL.
And the planks are not plywood either, YAY. So I could use epoxy if I chose to, right,aaaaaaahh? No, because, as you say Rick, and I agree, the laps are free of sealer\adhesives, and will stay that way.I was thinking of getting something that'll cover the cast iron keel and the wood at the same time,do they make such a thing. I didn't actually go shopping yet anyway.
Hey nice photo there,Hugh.Now there is another set of options. A masthead rig and a bigger cabin than the purist version,hhhhmmmmm, is that your boat?
I like the look of that cabin. Is that mast keel or deckstepped?
I already have a camera, its my computer that has contribu..... Hey I think I have some pics to come.
Be back shortly
Kerry Emmerson
Say BarnacleGrim,did you notice my avatar pic? The crew are wearing horned helmets.

[floatingkiwi]

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I found this online somewhere.Kerry

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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:20 am Post subject: Titebond III Does not Perform Wood Magazine this month has a great article comparing the major brand
glues. The 6 page article tests for strength and water resistance.

In a water resistant test, glued joints were submerged in water for 24
hours. Surprisingly Titebond III scored worse than Titebond II. The TB II
joint held up to about 300 PSI. TB III failed at about 200 PSI. So I guess
you should save your money. TBIII is typically 60% more expensive than TB
II.

There was a discussion a few weeks ago about the TB III compared to
Polyurethanes for water resistance. Polyurethanes win. In the same test as
mentioned above, the Elmer's ProBond and Gorilla Glue Polyurethane joint
held up to almost 1000 PSI. TB III held up to 200 PSI.


I think I will send an email to Franklin and see what they have to say about
this article.Back to top

[Hughman]

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Hey nice photo there,Hugh.Now there is another set of options. A masthead rig and a bigger cabin than the purist version,hhhhmmmmm, is that your boat?
I like the look of that cabin. Is that mast keel or deckstepped?

yup, mine; keel stepped.

Cheoy Lee did produce a fractional rig, called it Pacific Clipper. I think the primary market for these boats was the San Francisco Area, because of a local importer. Look around for a class association, if you want to see various ideas for rig and layout...or maybe even used sails 'n' stuff. There was a doghouse version, in 'glass, too.

Folkboats were/are such a successful design that there a lot of take-offs, and possibly lots of applicable parts that might be available.

Al Mason "Ostkust" is one example of a similar design, possibly even an improvement....

[floatingkiwi]

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Doghouse?

[Larks]

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Larks
Please do send the pic! Must make for pretty wet sailing when on a wind!! Rick

No worries, I'd been looking at external chain plates for ideas on doing the same to 'no name' H28, (not clinker) and have a memory of this particular one having a questionably smallish external stainless chain plate. I'm thinking of getting some bronze ones cast with a bit of shape to them for mine.

However I hadn't thought of the issue of kicking up a bit of spray on a heel, I've seen a few H28's with external chain plates which are reasonably forward but probably quite similar to the Folkboat in position so probably an issue worth considering.

[Ed Harrow]

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RUN! RUN!! Don't let her get her claws into you or you'll be finished!